[michiganjfrog]

Originally Posted by HubbleMart";p=&quot

Hey people!

5. I saw a "Black List" here.. what about a "White List" ?

Yes, there was talk here of a whitelist. Around that time, I added a (rather small....) whitelist to my fake Nano eBay guide. (I'd have liked to have included a longer black & whitelist, but the space limitations of eBay and the fact that I can no longer edit the guide prevented that from happening).

6. How about "certification"? Suppose if all sellers send a sample to say "michiganjfrog', and ask him to review & certify the product, then he posts that review on a separate website. Then we (sellers) could put a logo of the certification, with a link to the review in our listing. the 'review' website could then further offer more information about the Scam, and links to other sites, "Black" & "White" Lists etc. I was just trying to figure in ebay's links policy if this could fit into their policies. Anyone have more idea?

Hi HubbleMart. Your name sounds familiar to me.... I must have seen it on eBay. As an independent 3rd party who is not an eBay seller (well, not of chipods), I think I would be in a position to qualify for your certification program idea, and I could be objective in doing so (and I would, if it gets off the ground). I don't know if I commented on the certification program but I read about it, and I think there were a number of good ideas hashed out. I like the "smart logo" idea that prevents scammers from stealing the logo in the eBay ad. Sellers can pay a small fee for the certification to help pay for the program.

That should get things sorted out as to who is the good and who is the bad sellers (because look at how many poor "future suckers" dont yet realize that its ALL sellers selling 4GB+ nano clones and other chipods....). Even if I had the time to warn them all, eBay wouldn't let me, it randomly(?) prevents me from responding to bidders or even queries in my inbox. My last warning was to a new US seller of 4GB iPlatinums name of "Red Dargon". I told him his goods had fake capacities and asked him to pull his ad, or I'd lodge a complaint with eBay and warn his buyers. He responded telling me he didn't believe me (not sure if he was sincerely misled or sincerely lying). I warned his top bidder who had bought the unit, and let me know that he was already worried about it being a fake, because he had since heard about the scam.

7. michiganjfrog - Great guides there - I gave my vote! The genuine 4GB players are now available. I myself am shipping wholesale lots to my customers since last week. These use 2 x 2GB chips. The 4GB chips are also now available in the chinese component market, but the 2x2 combination works out cheaper. I think we should also have the genuine 8GB (with 2x4GB chips) in the next few months.

Thanks for your vote. There are genuine 4GB Nano clones now? Uh-oh. Not good news! Now that f***ing scamming eBay Corp. can stop "pretending" that there may be some sellers selling true 4GB+ nano clones and point to the fact that there are, which will let eBay off the hook, more or less, in being responsible for the problem. It will also create even far greater confusion among buyers, as to what's a true 4GB+ player and what's a bogus piece of crap. Well.... enter the mympxplayer.org certification program then, I guess. It's the only thing I can see that could prevent people now from buying bogus players. Because the "eBay mafia" is certainly not going to introduce a certification program to help its customers from being defrauded, since they know how large the MP4 fraud program is. Reduce the income of the fraudsters and you reduce eBay's income. Reduce eBay's income and they'll find a way to break your f***ing legs..... (metaphorically speaking of course...).