hmm.. just fu**'ed it some more, i just cant leave things alone.
tried top finx above problem. in disk format utility, clicked partition tab
slid slider all way to the right. clicked start format/partition worked.
re-did it, but put slider all the way back to the left, (0mb partition) clicked start, worked.
now ipod clone at 945Mb.

ops:
disk format utility now see it as 962Mb instead of 4gb
even wondows format sees it as 962Mb
instaed of 4gb.
excuse me while i go shoot myself :evil:
somehow using that slider, reformatted the drive to FAT16 and reduced it to less than 1Gb
got paragon partition manager professional on to it and this is what came up
Logical Disk (H: )
Volume letter:
(H: )
File system:
FAT16
Root entries:
512
Sectors per boot:
1
Sectors per cluster:
32
Serial number:
2B802B8
Partition ID:
0x06 FAT16, greater than 32 MB.
Total size:
956.9 MB
Used space:
5.3 MB
Free space:
951.6 MB
formatting to FAT32 doesnt do anything either :-( just changes the sectors per boot and sectors per cluster number
i m guessing the memory "hack" used on players out of china is that good, it foodl windows into thinking its 8gb, fools mp3 player utilities into thninking its a 4gb. when it looks like its actually a 1gb.
maybe i'll try opening the f***er up to see what numberis on the chip so i can look it up and see what its really supposed to be