[Amigajoe]

Yes, that's it. I AM getting some 3rd gens, but these are still popular as well, and you can't beat the price. I'm getting a mix of players, and I'm definitely getting some of these touch models. It'll be a big selling point if they work like a real Apple click-wheel, and I think technology has reached the point where it economical for the knock-off mfg's to do it by now. Oh well, Caveat emptor. Even if I'm wrong I'll still make a profit! ;-)