[DrPepper]

Thanks guys, that's just the info I was looking for. I've got an 858LE clone, but it's an old one and works well. I'm not impressed with the touch interface, but it works well enough. The battery life with the KNC clone is enough to win my vote. I like Rockchip players (I have an old C260 that I love), and I'd be willing to try an Ingenics, but I doubt I could find an 8GB for about $60 shipped!