Let's be the solution and NOT the problem~~~

[ldsmom]

I have a bright idea so work with me on this one. I see alot of people up in arms about mp4 generic players. I also have received one email and one snail mail about joining class-action suits (one with eBay and one with Microsoft). I was thinking :idea: that what we need is a lawyer or law firm that is good at class-action suits. Raise your hand if you know of one OR are one that can help...........I believe I see a few hands up. AWESOME! Now I would not only do a class action but I smell a fantastic John Stossel scam report! After calculating the amount of mp4 players sold conservatively we are dealing with say one sold every five seconds at $50 a piece for one year is $788,400,000.00 USD That's right over 788 MILLION dollars a year and trust me it is probably much more. I only looked at the famous 4GB players for this equation. I also know that most went for over $50 USD. With that much money changing hands I KNOW that someone will want to "cover" this story! We need to hit the sellers where it hurts and that is their wallet.

I want to email every newstation (i.e. FoxNews, MSNBC, CNN), news show (i.e. dateline, 20/20) I know this can happen as I have had alot of experience of bucking the system. I was featured in a NY times article about selling order forms for GS Cookies on eBay. I live in the middle of nowhere, northern Wisconsin and got the attention of the entire country! :shock: Carrie Nelson's GS Cookie Article

So what do you say we start the ball rolling. I know that the media would love this story after all that I have seen. I have the time to spend doing this (being disabled and home all the time). I have been working, building, troubleshooting, tutoring, updating and around PCs for over 20 years. I have been online for over 11 years and with eBay for 5+ years. I can set up a website and I think that if we all get together we can start really rocking the boat out there in cyberland. The wonderful people we voted for in Washington can also be used for good intervention on this huge problem. Do NOT underestimate our power! :x

So big question is: Are We Sick Of It and Do We Want To Be Instrumental in Stopping This Reign of Selling JUNK :!: :!: :!: :evil: :?: :?: ARE YOU READY :?: :?:
If you want to help, suggest an idea, or just to tell me what your opinion on this idea. I would also look forward to hearing about your auction that was won and bought and now you are stuck with a hacked player stories. What I would like is to have a website of these so any of the "media" can look for themselves how we feel. I can also compile them in an email we can send to all that can help. Just email me at: ldsmom@cheqnet.net.
P.S. I had to change the amount of money received for the sales of mp4 4GB players since I had a faulty equation. ops:

[amnman]

The Moderators of myMPxplayer.org could just mass email a press release to all the news services as a start. Plus it would give some free advertising to the site if the news service(s) became interested.

The biggest catch is to email all services (AP, Reuter, MSNBC, etc) and the large state papers in all 50 states plus the TV stations.

Takes a lot of work for a national press release and tons of press email addresses, but it's free.

Just a thought

By the way, I'll be in DC next week talking to my state's newly elected congressmen. I'll bring the issue up.

[michiganjfrog]

I haven't been ripped off (yet) but know of many who have. (Indeed, I am receiving emails from them, having written a guide on eBay on this problem of the MP4 Scam). I think you have a GREAT attitude and people like you have a GREAT chance of turning the tide and forcing attention on eBay's role in helping to perpetrate FRAUD on the American (and global) public, by being bedfellows with the Chinese scammers (doing little to nothing to stop them from selling hacked 4GB+ MP4 & Nano clones).

You could create a website with all the proof found on this one (with mods permission to use the photos and text here), and then refer peopel to your website for ample proof. (And dont forget to link to my guide on your website which sheds further light on the eBay specific problem that is occurring!). Yahoo will supply you a free website.

Originally Posted by ldsmom";p=&quot

I have a bright idea so work with me on this one. I see alot of people up in arms about mp4 generic players. I also have received one email and one snail mail about joining class-action suits (one with eBay and one with Microsoft). I was thinking :idea: that what we need is a lawyer or law firm that is good at class-action suits. Raise your hand if you know of one OR are one that can help...........I believe I see a few hands up. AWESOME! Now I would not only do a class action but I smell a fantastic John Stossel scam report! After calculating the amount of mp4 players sold conservatively we are dealing with say one sold every five seconds at $50 a piece for one year is $788,400,000.00 USD That's right over 788 MILLION dollars a year and trust me it is probably much more. I only looked at the famous 4GB players for this equation. I also know that most went for over $50 USD. With that much money changing hands I KNOW that someone will want to "cover" this story! We need to hit the sellers where it hurts and that is their wallet.

I want to email every newstation (i.e. FoxNews, MSNBC, CNN), news show (i.e. dateline, 20/20) I know this can happen as I have had alot of experience of bucking the system. I was featured in a NY times article about selling order forms for GS Cookies on eBay. I live in the middle of nowhere, northern Wisconsin and got the attention of the entire country! :shock: Carrie Nelson's GS Cookie Article

So what do you say we start the ball rolling. I know that the media would love this story after all that I have seen. I have the time to spend doing this (being disabled and home all the time). I have been working, building, troubleshooting, tutoring, updating and around PCs for over 20 years. I have been online for over 11 years and with eBay for 5+ years. I can set up a website and I think that if we all get together we can start really rocking the boat out there in cyberland. The wonderful people we voted for in Washington can also be used for good intervention on this huge problem. Do NOT underestimate our power! :x

So big question is: Are We Sick Of It and Do We Want To Be Instrumental in Stopping This Reign of Selling JUNK :!: :!: :!: :evil: :?: :?: ARE YOU READY :?: :?:
If you want to help, suggest an idea, or just to tell me what your opinion on this idea. I would also look forward to hearing about your auction that was won and bought and now you are stuck with a hacked player stories. What I would like is to have a website of these so any of the "media" can look for themselves how we feel. I can also compile them in an email we can send to all that can help. Just email me at: ldsmom@cheqnet.net.
P.S. I had to change the amount of money received for the sales of mp4 4GB players since I had a faulty equation. ops:

[E72!]

ldsmom, you've had a great idea. :twisted:
I wish more people had that same attitude, this way those scams would quit in a matter of days. As for me, I've recently been a victim more, but I want to take actions to avoid future scams for me and others.
I'll give you a few ideas, some might even be useful: :wink:

- Make a website full of testimonials (with emails and perhaps ebay ids so people can ask questions), photos of everything, info (how to "unhack" the player, know the chip, etc.), a detailed and updated blacklist (with ebay ids, pics, webs, etc.), and more.
Something important would be making the web very, very clear (yet detailed), and make it really easy to find through any search web when searching for such terms as "chipod", "nano clone", "ebaydid", etc. Another option would be a section where people can "sign" (basically make a list with all the people who wants to claim against the seller) so the claim has more power than just one or few individuals.

- Contact people who has bought from those sellers and let them know via email (and repeated times) the existance of the web, so they join.

- Create false ebay accounts to spoil and rate those sellers? :roll:

- Once the web is more or less working, make it famous (tell the media, FBI, your neighbour, everyone). Make clear the position of ebay regarding the scam. Perhaps this grows into something like "ipods dirty secret".

If I have more ideas, I'll post them. If I can help somehow, here I am. :wink:

PS. Michigan, your guide was very helpful! :wink: Too bad I read it when it was too late...

[hypmovator]

Hi Everyone, like most of you if not all of you I have been scammed by Ugoole when I bought 2 x fake MP4's. I also sent countless emails to Ugoole and got the same bullshit replys offering partial refunds etc. Ebay and paypal are a complete waste of space and do nothing to help the victims. They only care about the profits they are making.

I decided to call the Sun newspaper and email them asking for their help in exposing this multi-million pound scam.

I ask all of you who have been scammed to join me and send you story to Charlie Ray - Consumer editor at the SUN and if enough of us do it they will investigate and not only expose the scammers like ugoole but also the tossers at ebay and paypal who ignore our please for help and just send automated emails that just add to the insult.

Ebay have a duty to protect us and they are getting away with murder. Let's all rise up and hit them where it hurts in their profits through bad exposure.

I have included my email I sent to the SUN below. Also remember the SUN are linked to SKY TV and if Sky get involved we could get the message around the world.

www.the-sun.co.uk

talkback@the-sun.co.uk

Subject: china £multi-million electronics scam on ebay! thousands of UK customers being ripped off every week

FAO: Charles Ray

Dear Charles

I am writing to you to ask for your help in exposing a scam on ebay in the form of fake memory hacked MP4’s that UK as well as global buyers are being ripped off every minute of everyday and no matter how many complaints are sent to ebay and their financial processing arm paypal they just turn a blind eye and will not protect consumers because they are making so much money in fees.

MY STORY

I have been using ebay and paypal for a number of years and as usual went on ebay on the 9th December to buy some last minute presents for my children. I specifically searched for MP4 players listed in the UK where the items location was listed as being in the UK because I wanted the items delivered in time for xmas.

I purchased 2 x 4gb MP4’s from an ebay seller called ugoole specifically because the item and seller were based in Preston UK (Fraud #1 – Actually based in China). The item never arrived in time for xmas, then over xmas I received an email from another ebayer warning of the scam and providing me with info on how to check my MP4 when it arrived and various sites that are trying to stop people getting ripped off as ebay who have been aware of the scam for a number of months will do nothing about it and continues to allow the crooks to sell there fake goods on ebay. Money and profit comes first for ebay – customers mean nothing to them.

My 2 x 4gb MP4’s arrived and as instructed I inspected the mp4’s and found that both were in fact only 1gb – the memory chip had been hacked to make it appear to the average buyer with not software or hardware experience or knowledge as a genuine 4gb MP4.

I complained to the seller, ebay and paypal and still I have 2 fake mp4’s and no resolution as after calling paypal today to complain once again I have been told that I the victim of the fraud must prove that the item is fake at my expense. The seller or crook ugoole can just wait and hope that like most people the ripped off buyer just gives up and puts it down to experience. I have lost £61.01 so far and to continue with the process of claiming my money back I need to get a third party independent electronics company to inspect the mp4’s and put in writing on a company letterhead the mp4’s are in only <1gb fake mp4’s which I will have to pay for and then if paypal agrees with my 3rd party I will then have to send the mp4 back to china not preston Uk registered once again at my expense.

The guy I spoke to at Paypal is called Chris (wouldn’t give surname) Senior agent European services 0870 307191 ext 4063. He promised to look into it. But will not confirm if he makes any progress hiding behind the data protection act.

This is happening to thousands of people.

THE BIGGER PICTURE

If you would be kind enough to visit the sites below you will find the full story and you will discover that thousands have been ripped off and even more are continuing to be ripped off and ebay and paypal will do nothing to stop it.

You would think that a company as large as ebay who make billions could put a call centre together to help victims of fraud, instead all the offer is an automated email service which is a total waste of time and resolves nothing.

I hope a paper with as much clout as yours could help others before they get ripped off. All you need to do is go on ebay do a search on mp4 players from buyers supposedly in the uk and you will see the scale of the sales and the rip offs. If you were to run and article in your paper and request anyone who has bought a mp4 on ebay to email you with their true feedback you will be surprised at how many respond. If you also showed the ebayers how to check their mp4 player properly you will also expose many thousands more who did not even know they had been ripped off.

China is having a huge impact on our lives now and in the future and consumers are going to continue to get ripped off unless someone like the sun or news of the world exposes these crooks.

PLEASE CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING SITES FOR MORE BACKGROUND INFO AND TO SEE THR TRUE SCALE OF THESE CRIMES

http://www.xbox0.co.uk/

http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/The-Offici...00000002547758

THERE ARE LOTS OF LINKS WITHIN THE SITES ABOVE WITH MORE INFO. IF YOU CHECK OUT THE BLACKLIST ON XBOX0.CO.UK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO VIEW THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ALL SAYING THE SAME THING YET EBAY AND PAYPAL WON’T ACT TO STOP THE CHINESE MP4 MAFIA.

Check out the amount of sales and x by average order £30-35 = £multi-millions

Please call me if you would like to discuss further.

I am quite happy to send fake mp4’s to you if you like to verify my claims.

I hope you will take up this case and stop UK citizens being ripped off.

Kind Regards

hypmovator

[walkie-talkie-man]

hi hypmovator,

I really fancy you idea and i'm willing to go all the way.It's time to prove that it is people who actually have power not these BA$'s