Adventures in Ebayland
 

bought a 4GB player from Lowest_total_price, then figured I would learn as much about them as I can so that I can start enjoying it right away...thats when I found our little community here. That's when I started to see how deep Alice's little rabbit hole went. From viewing pictures it appears I ordered a Glacier. So I fired them off an email...waited..no reply. In the meantime while I was waiting for a reply I started warning the bidders about the scam (until I was blocked from contacting members...but that was only temporary, now I am back on the attack). After waiting a few days I used the email address on the paypal transaction to write them...waited..no reply ( imagine that ). So I fire off another email through ebay ( can you guess what happened ).. Then out of nowhere ..there in my inbox ..low and behold!!! a reply!! oooh wait , wasn't really a reply , just a notice to tell me my item was shipped. So I sent them another email addressing my concerns, telling them that this is the 4th time I have tried to contact them ect. Within 24 hours they replied.. ooh wait that wasn't really a reply either, just a letter telling me not to worry they shipped the item already and it should be there in a few days, not one mention of any of my prior emails, it's like they didn't even read them. I put a big red X on my wall with a sign that says BANG HEAD HERE.......Anyways as my adventure continues I will keep updating my post and let you all know how my story unfolds.
For now lets all just hold hands and sing "we shall o-ver cooomeee, we shall o-ver cooomee".
remember Keep Your Eyes On The Prize
Yours Truely
rev. seemore dollars (aka Ronnieray )

I'll be reading :)

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( cheesey soap opera music ) Like the sands in the hourglass, so are the Days of our Lives.....
entered tracking # .....hit search......crossed fingers ( kinda exciting aint it?? almost like being in vegas ) nothing!!! message returned
Label/Receipt Number: RA14 0132 461H K

There is no record of this item

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Ok now I am annoyed, logged into paypal...went to the open a dispute, Looking at screen thinking" hmmm I get 2000 characters to write my letter, i'd better make this good". So I start typing, and it's so beautiful like I was a really educated person, you know what I mean??? SO these words are flowing from my keyboard to the screen like a symphony between the $70 they scammed outta my wallet, and my minds desire..to get every penny of it back.
Now I got it all done and I am giving it a read through " SOUND OF SOMEONE READING"... YEA!!! (mummble) YEA!!! YEA!!!!!!!
PERFECT OUTSTANDING!!!
Nothing so profound had ever been written before ( Well in 2007 years anyways )
Now I hit next .....screen refreshes YOUR SESSION HAS TIMED OUT
I'm screaming at the monitor, " WHAT!!! NOOoooo!!! " WHY GOD??? WHY??!!
So there I am ..staring at a screen thats asking me if I want to file a complaint...minds blank...cant remember a thing that I wrote down in my first one,,, hoping that lightening could stike twice but it doesnt
I find myself typing I WANT MY MONEY BACK THIS WAS MY CHRISTMAS PRESENT TO MYSELF AND YOUUuuuu RUINED IT!!!! ARGGGGhhhhhh
Well I erased that and ended up making an essay style.
I want my money bause of the following reasons
1. blah blah blah
you get the picture I am sure...
well hold on kids this ride is heading up its first hill and no ones getting off until it comes to a complete stop.
until next time remember this
You can pick your friends
and you can pick your nose
but you can't pick your friends nose

Nice

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Good Morning Group
woke up today and checked status on paypal, he responded with item was shippedvia hong kong post ( strange , item was in England, by player gets around like the traveling gnome, its already been to more countries than i have )
anyways i head on over to Ebay and Lowest_Total_price has 0 items for sale , I said WOW how about that yesterday he had almost 700 of those players for sale. just for laughs I took a look at E-Britian.....0 items for sale.
well kids keep your eyes open I have a feeling theres gonna be some "new" sellers out there with some super new 4GB+ players just waiting to offer us an unbelievably great deal on an mp4 player.
I have just 1 question, " Wheres my money!!!!???".
well off to work, see you all real soon

I have noticed that a scammer (buy_lowest) that I am currently dealing with has suddenly withdrawn all his auctions as well. Not sure how many but, there were pages of his current auctions this morning (All were 4gb MP4 players).

There can only be 2 explanations for the sudden departure.

1. Ebay finally took action against the users (aka abusers). I seriously doubt this as they have not done anything in the past. But, Perhaps enough people have complained - I know I have been emailing quite a bit regarding this scam.

2. The scammers are doing as they always have - ditch the account once too many negatives show. Start a new account and start selling hacked units again. Ebay has such relaxed policies, allowing full anonymity for the sellers. You don't even need an address to sell on Ebay. The scammer (buy_lowest) lists his street and city address as "default". Ebay doesn't seem to care as long as they get their cut of the profits.

I am leaning toward the second scenario as a simple Ebay search of "mp4 4gb" currently turns up 1965 items. Just about he same as when I did the search this AM.

Good luck to all.

mpj-mlj, I agree your second explanation is the most likely senario.
If you haven't already please add your details to the on-line petition HERE

tadad1,

I signed the petition.

I do have a question...

Can you sign more than once?
I did buy a total of 4 of these hacked units.

I did get a bit of customer support from some of the US sellers. One was cooperative, the other took a little more. My first purchase from jcl0924 was an immediate gift so, I was unaware of the scam prior to gifting the unit - he ended with a free pass.

mpj-mlj, I don't see why not some people are putting multiple auction numbers if they have been scammed more than once but if you have been scammed by different sellers then I don't see why you could not list each one.
Thankyou for taking the time to sign the petition though. Even though it is only early days I think the figures become more compelling when you can see all the victims listed at once. Makes a good list of bad sellers as well.

I tried to sign again with the other information.
The site only allows for one signature and it appears you cannot edit the original.

Oh well, I'm sure the list will grow in a short time. I doubt Ebay or Paypal will do anything. With over 2000 listings of these at any given point and averaging 2 or 3 sales per minute (higher at Holiday season), profits from listing fees, final value fees, and Paypal fees far out weigh satisfying some complaints.

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well well well , got home from work today, checked mailbox and to my surprize...no mp4 player. opened up my email and there staring me in the face was a letter from ebay, seller wants to bury the hatchet and for me to drop my negative feedback.hmm, no player, no returned emails, no refunded money... yea sure i will change it , of course he left negative feedback for me as well. Imagine the nerveof me, paying for something and actually wanting it delivered. So I get on the phonewith paypal because this letter is written like this matter has been resolved. After being on hold for 20 minutes ( listening to some god aweful music ) I get ahold of a real person, he looks up the account and tells me about how it was shipped on such and such a day..blah blah blah. So i tell him I know this already and the tracking number is bogus and I have checked it everyday for a week, at all the carriers from hong kong to USA. Of course he doesnt believe me and tells me he will be right back so he can check for himself. After 10 more minuutes of being on hold he comes back to give me the news, " Sir I entered the tracking number and it doesnt exsist" :D with the sound of shock in my voice I tell him NO WAY are you serious?? Then he says he needs to contact the claim department and for me to hold again ( ohh great more crap music ) ten minutes later someone gets on the phone, first words outta my mouth are " Am I gonna have to repete this all over again or did the other guy fill you in already??"..of course I had to start the whole story from the begining. SO now she wants the tracking number so she can look for herself ( here we go again, more crap music) she comes back few minutes later again with the news that the tracking number doesnt exsist. Now anyone that knows me in the real world knows that sometimes I just cant help myself when the opertunity presents itself to be a smartass and this time was no exception. WHAT!!! you mean that guy tried to scam me??!! being the highly intelligent female she is, and in such a posistion of power she declared that it was her opinion that yes, this person was indeed trying to scam ( its like she had no clue that i already told her that the tracking number was bogus and that flunky #1 already had told me the same bit of information that I already knew ) . So she tells me that because of the seller's misleading statements, that paypal would pass judgement in my favor and that i could expect my money within 30 days. 30 days!!! now i cant order a differant player for 30 days. ( if i did my old lady would KILL me, she was already unhappy about this to begin with , and if i spend more money on an MP4 player without 1st getting my money back from the first attempt.....lets just say that it wouldnt be good ) . So here it sit, no money , no long awaited christmas present to myself and a strong desire to teach all who would scam people with hacked mp4 players a lesson. If anyone who is a scam seller is reading this I want to tell you this. GET LEGIT before its too late. The clock is counting down and sooner than you think, your going to throw the bucket in the well, and come up with nothing.
So the story continues until I get my refund, until then remember.
90% of the people dont care about your problems, and the other 10% are glad you have them.....except the people at mympxplayer.org, we care and are willing to try to do something about it

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well kids it seems my Adventure in Ebayland is over, the ride has come to a complete stop. Today I recieved a 100% refund from Tronfy Technologies. It seems that through no fault of their own ( hahah right )
that my player was lost in the mail. And that they couldn't understand how the supplied tracking number never exsisted in the mail carriers system. I want to aknowladge the help I recieved from the posters on mympxplayer.org in getting my money back. If not for you guys I probably would have been out $70. Your posts help, so keep on posting because you are really helping the people who read your posts.
The battle may be won, but the war is far from over.
anyone who is reading this, if you are a visitor to this page PLEASE register and become a member, the more registered users we have, the stronger we are. The stronger we are, the more people we can help.
and for gods sake TELL EVERY SELLER OF 4GB PLAYERS " I WAS GOING TO BID ON YOUR ITEM UNTIL I SAW YOUR NAME ON MYMPXPLAYER.ORG

ronnieray , your last statement gave me a sudden evil idea.

Currently the forum has about 8k+ members. Let's say a third of them are active, leaves about 2.3k. And say about half of them have an ebay account, leaving 1k members.

What if on a certain day, these 1k members just drop a message (like your last statement) to a particular seller (eg your ex-seller).

Wow, i think that guy would cry. :lol:

(evil laugh ) MUHAHAHAhahahahah

brother lattesurf i like it, just as these sellers enjoy wasting my time, i would take great pleasure in know that a bad seller would be wasting his time ( oh man that would take hours and hours ) cleaning out his inbox, imagine not being able to contact your bidders until you got all that mess out of your mailbox....humor in the face of adversity

That's a really great idea, count me in. Now we need a "victim", and a time set.
Ronnieray, congrats with the victory, a sauer one, but a victory. :D

well, it seems there may yet be one more chapter to my rollercoaster ride. Got an email from my seller today and from my understanding of english spoken by someone who is 1. a scammer and 2. not too good in english i translate it as such:
Sorry for the inconvenience ( translation: it sucks you caught us)
Please wait for more days.
we have raisen the written query to our post office( translation: were gonna send you one and see if your dumb enough to pay for it )
It takes more time to get the reply from post office.(translation: we just needed a little time to come up with an excuse after we found out you were on to our little scam )
If you have received the item, please withdraw the dispute on paypal and inform us ( translation: how about we give you free player and you withdraw your negative feedback ) one of the few nice things about america is if someone sends you something you didnt order.... you get to keep it
well until next time kids, download songs, convert movies, do it while you can...but dont get caught