Re: Negotiating with the sellers
 

Another option on the Ebay Feedback,

I recently BLASTED a scammer "blown-z" with negative feedback:
Quote "FRAUD ALERT - Research this blacklisted MP4 Player before you bid - Seller aware"

He did exactly as I was warned on this site by adding this Feedback to my profile:
Quote "Reply by blown-z: Item as described. buyer doesnt read auction"

I don't think he can even spell, let alone read!

My solution was to cut and paste the link to my post in this forum.(excluding the http:// so that it would not be banned as a url from ebay)

Reply by ikegilbert: http://www.mympxplayer.org/blown-z-e...ay-vt3895.html

If anyone cares enough to understand, I figure they will cut and paste the url and see what the real issue was.

Re: Negotiating with the sellers
 

Hello gentlemen,

I am offered 20€ and a positive vote in exchange for the scam. :roll:
Ok, so I'll give him a positive vote... But write something that may prevent others from being cheated anyway. I've told him to vote me positive too, but I don't expect a scammer to be true to his word.
Also, he told me that by mail. In paypal resolution, he again tells me to send him the item, but just in case, I'll copy everything and message him through paypal too.

I'm sorry for those of you that have realized paypal is the tool of all those pirates. I'm glad I could learn the lesson before it was too late. It's always helpful to know those cheats, should they ever be needed, and as we say in our country, "el que roba a un ladrón tiene cien años de perdón" ("who robs a thief is forgiven for a hundred years"), and I think it's the point here, if you get scammed, then you counter-attack without moral restrictions. If you can cheat him, better for you, it's a self-gained right.

Let's see how this all turns up. And I still have a claim filed against an unregistered user, that is sure going to be a "fun" experience with paypal. :evil:
Thanks for the tips! Will try to get the most from them.

Re: Negotiating with the sellers
 

I received my '1GB' mp4 player today.

I bought it from 'Aaliyah's Bargains' on ebay.

This is the auction:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...9278&rd=1&rd=1

I attached it to my pc and formatted it and found that it wasn't 1GB and was only 469mb!

Another two issues where that the mp4 player doesn't have an fm radio (which the seller states in the auction that it does) and the headphones don't work properly (only one of them works, and they look dead cheap!)

I have just sent the seller a message (on ebay so it can be tracked if needed) saying this:

Hi, I received my mp4 player today.

I am very disappointed with it. After linking it to my pc and formatting it i found that the memory wasn't 1GB in actual fact the total memory is 469mb which would be you are selling HACKED players. I am also angry at the fact that you stated in the auction that the mp4 player had an FM Radio, which it doesn't. I am also angry at the fact that the headphones don't work.

Unless i hear back from you with a resolution by tomorrow morning i will have no choice but to inform ebay, paypal and the police. This is fraud and you have lied.

I await your response.

Once i get a response from the seller i will return here with the update.

Azza87

Re: Negotiating with the sellers
 

I finally got the refund I asked for (in the end, too little). :evil:
The other dispute was fully refunded.
So if you want to hear an advice, I'll give you mine:
1- Be polite but firm and let know the guy you know this is a scam, and unles your conditions are fulfilled, you'll take further actions.
2- If he starts giving excuses or doesn't answer, open a paypal dispute, and start again the discussion through paypal's mailing system. Make clear that you can take pics, post the manufacturer's chip specs, etc.
3- If he still doesn't want to solve things, elevate the dispute to claim, raise your conditions, and wait. Obviously, tell paypal you want to help as much as possible.

This is how I could get my money back, and it should work for you too.
Good luck! :wink:

Hi, Got a response from my seller. She has said this:

"Hi they are not Hacked, as we have sold many MP4 players and our supplier is a massive company in the UK. However it sounds like you have a factory faulty item, very sorry for that please send it back and we will send you new one ASAP.

Many Thanks
Allen"

According to his/her feedback they haven't sold mp4's before so think this is a poor excuse.

I need advice folks, what shall i say next?

azza87 , it depends on whether you are satisfied with the current actual memory capacity or not.

If you are, you could always ask for a partial refund. This saves you time, trouble & money for posting it back.

However, seems like many functions of your player is not working. So i'll suggest that you do send it back, as it would be hard to rectify all those problems you are facing.

I have another problem now. I put the player on charge last night, it was charging for around 4hours. When i tried to turn the player on it wouldn't come on. I've hooked it upto my pc to see if the pc can see it's connection and nothing.

My player is now dead just after charging it!

I want to send it back but there are risks in doing so. This will also cost me for the sellers lies! I could send it back and not get any money back at all. If these sellers are happy to try and scam people with these players they will try to con you in other ways also and theat's what is holding me back from returning it.

Just thought i would update what has happened... I sent this to the seller:

"Hi. I am not having that excuse. I've seen it come from many other hacked mp4 sellers over on the mympxplayer forums. I know for a fact that this was not made in the UK. you have imported it from China or Hong Kong. I also know for a fact that it is not due to a factory fault, you have hacked the mp4 player yourself to make more money. I don't want a new one as the quality of this one is just awful. For a start it is missing features you claimed it had such as the FM Radio and the headphones don't work. You'd better think of a resolution to this before tomorrow morning because i'll be reporting this to ebay, paypal and the police otherwise.

I do not want anymore excuses, i've seen them all before.

I await your response."

Well i didn't get a response so i did as promised and I have opened a dispute on paypal and escultated it to a claim. I've received the confirmation email from paypal. It confirms that there will be a $25 investigation fee for me to pay at the end of this.

I think the way paypal works is disgusting. These disputes are the crooks, i mean sellers faults, surely the sellers should be made to pay for the investigation and not the inocent victims, i mean buyers

Another update... I received this email from the seller this morning:

"HI
1-YOU SAD THE MP4 DASNT HAVE RADIO,
2-YOU OLSO SAD THE MP4 WOULDNT TURN ON,
SO IF THE MP4 PLAYER WOULDN'T TURN ON,HOW DID YOU FIEND OUT IT DAS NOT HAVE RADIO,
AND I DID ASK YOU TO SEND IT BACK BUT YOU DIDN'T,
SO DO NOT PLAY GAMES WITH ME I DONT HAVE TIME FOR ALL THIS DRAMA YOU ARE DOING.
MANY THANKS"

I am sorry, but i am not the one at fault here, just like all members of this forum that have been ripped off so i am not taking attitude from this crook. This was my reply to the seller:

"DON'T GIVE ME ATTITUDE!

I said the mp4 player didn't have fm radio - BECAUSE IT DOESN'T! I also said it doesn't have 1GB memory - BECAUSE IT DOESN'T!

You say charge for 3-4 hours, when i did this the player never came back on! So both things i have said are correct IT DOESNT HAVE A RADIO & AFTER FOLLOWING YOUR INSTRUCTIONS IT NO LONGER TURNS ON!

I said i wasn't going to pay to send it back and that i demanded that you pay for the return costs - after all this is all down to YOUR LIES. Of course you didn't reply to that message did you...

and you have the NERVE to give ME ATTITUDE?

Send my my money back on paypal now, including the return cost (you charged me £5.85 postage so i would think i would need the same to send it back) totalling £31.69 and i will close the dispute and send the mp4 player back to you tomorrow."

I then received this from the seller:

"HI
YOU SEND THE ITEM BACK AND I WILL SEND WHAT EVER YOU PAY INCLUDING POSTEG,
NOT £31.69 IT IS £27.92 OK,
WITH OUT BEING SMART."

If he can charge me £5.85 on postage to get the player, how would it cost me only £2.08 to return it to him?

I Sent this:

"How is it £27.92? If it cost me £5.85 to have the item sent to me surely it will cost the same for it to be sent back no?

It is going to cost more than £2.08 to send it back anyway, that is a fact.

Also, i am not being funny or anything but i am not sending it until i get my money back.

This is because you have already lied to me about the item so i do not trust you. Once the money is back in my paypal account i will send the item back to you.

If you don't do this today i will be leaving negative feedback and carry on the dispute with paypal and get my money back that way. If i carry on the dispute and paypal refunds my money i will have to send the item to them and not you, they will then pass the item onto the police and you will be done for fraud.

Just send it today, i will send the item back and close my dispute.

Thanks."

Haven;'t had a response yet but will keep all updated.

Thanks :)

I've just got a response from the seller!

Apparantly these Crooks, Con artists, Scammers or sellers haven't got time to spend dealing with people like me (an inoccent buyer...)

This is the hilarious response i just received:

"Hi Ok no problem, it is up to you, either send it back and get a refund or go to ebay or paypal and do what ever you want, I have already reported you to both companies.

Please do not contact me again, as I have a lot of work to do and can not spend all my time dealing with someone like you.

Many Thanks "

They have reported me to ebay and paypal, On what grounds? What have i done here?

It would be my pleasure to not have to contact them again but unfortunately i have to for this to be sorted out.

Hi Ok no problem, it is up to you, either send it back and get a refund or go to ebay or paypal and do what ever you want, I have already reported you to both companies.

"can not spend all my time dealing with someone like you."

Isn't that nice? I buy one of his products, find he's messed with it and catch him out and complain about it, demand a refund and then get told he's no time to spend talking to people like me!

What kind of person am i and all the other buyers on ebay? lol

"Many Thanks "

At least he/she tried being polite!

I have also noticed something quite odd about this. Have you noticed that compared to all of the previous replies, this one has no spelling mistakes at all?

It seems to me there is more than one person reading and replying to my emails...