Latest Scammer Busted

bikeman9111 · #1 (**permalink**) 22nd Jan 2007, 1:58 pm

In case anyone is considering buying from eBay seller "ultromall":

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AME WA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280067588819&rd=1&rd=1

I just opened a paypal dispute with him today. I have exchanged a couple emails and he insists that they are 4gb, but format reveals 2GB and removal of the cover exposes a samsung 2GB chip. I doubt I hear from him again, but I'll wait a day or two, then escalate.

tadad1 · #2 (**permalink**) 22nd Jan 2007, 3:20 pm

bikeman9111, Sorry to hear it, I notice "Ultromall" has been listed 4 times already on the eBay petition so I am sure he has received other complaints.

busta · #3 (**permalink**) 22nd Jan 2007, 4:49 pm

Hi all, READ THIS IT MIGHT HELP, IT HELPED ME
I just recently bought 3 4gb nano clone players from 3 different sellers. When i received them they were all 2gb. I paid in total £24 £23 and £20. Heres the best bit first i sent them emails regarding what the problem is, then they all sent reply saying "FACTORY MISTAKE" we've all heard that before. Anyway i told them they are not 4gb but hacked 2gb to look like 4gb. Anyway surprise surprise they said one of the 2gb may have been damaged in transit. I was thinking why are all 3 different sellers giving me virtually same reply. So anyway i grit my teeth and sent them a harsh email saying i am sending the player to paypal as others have complained about you. When they read that they automatically offer a partial refund of around £3-£4. Do not accept this, they may also ask for the players back for a full refund, DO NOT ACCEPT THIS EITHER. Then open a paypal dispute to let them know you are serious and say you have got the player checked out from local mp3 player store who says that there is only 1 2gb flash memory and that you are sending the player to paypal for cheating people. Once they see this they will be willing to refund you the price upto a 2gb player which actually works out cheaper than a 2gb player. By this i mean just let them know the price of a 2gb player is only £13 so i want a refund that i have paid over that amount. In my case in total from all 3 sellers i was refunded £31, thats not bad when that means you have bought 3 good looking 2gb players for only £13 each, now thats a bargain. LOL.

If anyone needs any help in what to write back to in replies to these sellers then just send me an email and i will make sure i squeeze every single penny out of these con masters. THE BEST WAY TO BEAT A CON MASTER IS PLAY THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME.

I hope this helps sorry for long post if anyone needs help send me an email on twadi12345@hotmail.com and i will do my best to help.

Kind Regards

Busta

ashley_rb · #4 (**permalink**) 22nd Jan 2007, 5:29 pm

"and say you have got the player checked out from local mp3 player store"

Don't lie. If you tell paypal you went to a local mp3 store, they may ask you for proof. Make sure you do it. If its not paypal asking for proof, the scammer ebay seller will.

Be smart when it comes to filing against scammers. Don't kid yourself. They know the system, they know how to work it and because of the huge amount of money they make, they will do whatever it takes to protect it.

Be truthful when putting in a complaint. Tell paypal or ebay what you did to confirm the memory, what websites you went to and be sure they can easily and quickly confirm what you say is truthful.

Be extemely careful, stay honest and stay smart.

bigdipper · #5 (**permalink**) 22nd Jan 2007, 7:42 pm

What I don't understand is why people insist on making claims to paypal. I simply disputed the charges with my credit card company and got a full refund. In the end, I got a couple of freebies. Understand that both ebay & paypal make ton of money out these scammers. So who's side do you think they're going to take. I learned my lesson. Now I will not buy anything I can't pay with a credit card and I never file claims with paypal. Your credit card company will always be on your side.

mpj-mlj · #6 (**permalink**) 22nd Jan 2007, 7:54 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashley_rb";p=&quot

"and say you have got the player checked out from local mp3 player store"

Don't lie. If you tell paypal you went to a local mp3 store, they may ask you for proof. Make sure you do it. If its not paypal asking for proof, the scammer ebay seller will.

Be smart when it comes to filing against scammers. Don't kid yourself. They know the system, they know how to work it and because of the huge amount of money they make, they will do whatever it takes to protect it.

Be truthful when putting in a complaint. Tell paypal or ebay what you did to confirm the memory, what websites you went to and be sure they can easily and quickly confirm what you say is truthful.

Be extemely careful, stay honest and stay smart.

I told Paypal how I checked the memory. Also, I provided them with plenty of links to at least 10 plus sites (including this one). I believe my fax to Paypal was 11 pages long - including the 50 negative feedbacks the seller racked up in 4 days (all complaining of hacked memory).
Paypal will insist that you have the unit checked by a qualified third party source and that info must be faxed to them. It cost me $20 to have computer store verify memory hack.
Then, Paypal will find in your favor and instruct you that the refund will be applied to your account once you ship the item (with tracking number) to them - add another $8 estimated.
I have heard rumors that Paypal will then tack on a $25 fee of their own for the dispute resolution.

I decided that, financially, I should cut my losses at the $20 extra investment.
My choices were keep the unit (now into it for $61)
Return the unit and end up getting back $13 of my original investment. That is providing Paypal doesn't tack on the $25 fee - then I am in the hole $12 with nothing in hand.

lattesurf · #7 (**permalink**) 23rd Jan 2007, 1:10 am

i guess when it comes to handling such scammers, pay them back with what they paid you with.

There is no harm of playing the little trick of "say you have got the player checked out from local mp3 player store", as even if you really did send it to be checked, it will definitely be 2GB.

Besides, the paypal dispute resolution will be 30 days from the day you open a dispute. During these 30days, paypal will not interfere. They only come into the picture if you escalate to a claim within the 30days.

So if they decide to refund you the difference, you save the trouble and money of checking it. And in most cases they will, even selling at £13, they probably made £5-6 out of it.

busta · #8 (**permalink**) 23rd Jan 2007, 4:34 pm

Its ok if you dont want to do what i did but believe me the last thing these sellers want is paypal on their back i just did what i did and within a week i got my partial refunds. Thanks for understanding "LATTESTUFF" that you can close the dispute within 30 days without the interference of paypal. Personally i feel the whole point of filling the claim is to solve it before paypal intervenes and ages before then you get your refund and u'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

All i wanted to do is let everyone else know what i did with 3 seperate sellers and HOW I WON. LOL

bikeman9111 · #9 (**permalink**) 23rd Jan 2007, 4:52 pm

Since I only paid $48, it won't really be worth going thru with paypal. I may email him again and ask for an offer of partial refund. If I get anything, it'll be a plus, but if not, it's not a bad player. The battery seems to discharge a little fast according to the icon on the display, but I haven't run it all the way down yet - but hey, it's replacable. Thanks for the comments, but the intent is to warn people - but I don't think anyone is expecting to receive a 4GB anyway.
Cheers - Rick

bikeman9111 · #10 (**permalink**) 24th Jan 2007, 4:22 am

Is it normal for the seller to want the dispute closed before the refund you any money?