I am fighting back at these CON ARTISTS and taking a stand!

[azza87]

Hi All.

In the past month i have purchased 3 MP4 Players on ebay, all from different sellers all stating to be decent memory (eg one was 1gb two Where 4GB) All of these have turned out to be hacked. My 1GB player turned out to be 469MB and the two 4GB players where only 1GB and 2GB.

I am Very angry at this and am taking a stand against them.

What I plan to do is Keep buying these so called 4GB players, if they turn out to be hacked i will claim i haven't received it and get a refund. I am going to do this until i actually get what i am damn paying for! :x :evil:

I have been grilled by my father about this idea and he has stated that i will be 'theiving' from them, If they think it is okay to rip people off and scam to earn a few quid then i am sorry but i am not theiving, I am simply giving them a bad taste of their own yukky medicine. Not only will they lose one of their players (which by the way will be tossed into the bin!) but they will lose the money for from the sale also. :P :roll:

I just cannot for the life of me work out why ebay and paypal are letting these Bustards get away with this. I know it's making them money from each sale but surely there is a better way for them to make money than to sit back and watch their loyal members be ripped off left right and centre!

I have sent an email to the SUN and the DailY Star, also one to the Daily Mirror asking them to print a small article with all the info i have submitted to them about what is going on on ebay with these cons. So hopefully there will be a small article on this at some point very soon. It may nt have a very big effect but it would surely give people a warning not to purchase such an item on ebay.

Sorry for the long thread but i also have some info on the shipping methods these crooks are using.

You may have seen or have purchased certain players on ebay from sellers that require you pay shipping insurace (you have no choice but to pay for it). I recently purchased a player from export681129 (6329) and had to pay £2 for shipping insurance.

After waiting quite a while for my player to arrive sent the seller an email asking for the tracking number so i could see what was going on.

the tracking number went like this: RA123456789HK.

This made it very clear to me that the seller had sent the player WITHOUT insurance!

If you have purchased a player and have had to pay extra for insurance, please ask the seller for a tracking number.

If your tracking number starts with the letter RA, then your seller hasn't insured the package either so demand the extra costs back - like i have.

I know this because if the item was sent with insurance by HongKong Post (which most of these players are) the tracking number will start with the letter VV (eg VV123456789HK).

It seems to be that these crooks aren't happy enough to rip us off with hacked merchandise to make an extra few quid, they also like to rip you off when it comes to sending the hacked crap too!

Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere in the forum - i just wanted to let everyone know so sorry if it has!

Thanks for reading

[Hotboxx]

Here is what you can do:

Go to a local internet cafe and go to Ebay Philipines. Create a account, they don't ask for any credit card information. Then you simply "buy" all those players offered on ebay. Set a very high maximum offer for each player and let the Ebay bidding system work for you. The players that are offered "buy now" are easier to buy. The final result will be that all those hacked players are off the market. Be carefull only to do this with sellers that are reported as scammers.

[chlapec10]

Good luck with you plan.

To the insurance thing....
I dont think you are right.
I have recieved multiple players from HK, ALL of tracking numbers began with RA, the letters are for description of type of mail used.
IIRC, RA means Registered Airmail.
Registered mail can be uninsured or insured by the post. There is also the possibility that some 3rd party insures mail

[azza87]

I found this on google when I was trying to find the HongKong Post's website to track one of my ebay purchases. I came across this:

"The Tracking Number is normally the Hong Kong Post's Registered Air Mail Number, in the format "RR#########HK", where a 9 digits ("#########") numeric number is in between the letter pairs "RR" and "HK". Starting in February, the letter pair "RR" had been replaced with "RA" (ie. RA123456789HK).

If you had paid for Shipping Insurance your Tracking Number will begin with the letters "VV".

If you had paid for Hong Kong Post's EMS (Expressed International Deliver) service, then the first letter pair will be "EE" (ie. EE123456789HK)"

[chlapec10]

Hmmm
1st time, I hear about this...
It happened already to me, that I was replaced a RA package...
So probably it was insured by a 3rd party company.

[azza87]

If your tracking number starts with RA it is not insured at all. If it was insured it would start with VV. It is because the sellers are not sending it insured, yet they are charging people for insurance. It is just another way for them to make a few more quid on the sale!

[chlapec10]

Originally Posted by azza87";p=&quot

If your tracking number starts with RA it is not insured at all. If it was insured it would start with VV. It is because the sellers are not sending it insured, yet they are charging people for insurance. It is just another way for them to make a few more quid on the sale!

Yes, but if it is insured by a 3rd party company, it still would be RA because it's not insured by the post.
I had a insured RA package lost, and it was replaced.
Just right know, I have a package with 5 players heading towards me.
of course it's insured, and still is RA.
Some food for thought, not all sellers are trying to scam you.

[azza87]

Originally Posted by chlapec10";p=&quot

Yes, but if it is insured by a 3rd party company, it still would be RA because it's not insured by the post.
I had a insured RA package lost, and it was replaced.
Just right know, I have a package with 5 players heading towards me.
of course it's insured, and still is RA.
Some food for thought, not all sellers are trying to scam you.

Hi, I wasn't saying all sellers where out to scam us, but all sellers that are selling hacked players are. Looking through this forum that is a fact.

[mekako]

I agree totally what you want to do with these sellers of hacked players, however I would not of posted my intended actions on a forum such as this :?:

[lattesurf]

Most of the time, the "insurance" that these sellers offer, are usually their own "insurance".

As the cost of these products are so cheap, the sale of 1 player in Pounds, Euro, USD, AUD, could easily cover the cost of 2-3players. Usually these "insurance" goes for 2 or 3 pounds.

So when a package does go missing, which might happen like 1 out of 30 times. The sellers just need to resend the item, that's all. But they would have earned 30 players "insurance" fees, about 60 to 90 pounds extra. The 60 to 90 pounds extra easily covers the cost of perhaps 5-6 players.

i've ordered from HK before, and paid extra AUD$2.99 for "insurance". When it arrived, it wasn't even registered, much less insured!