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WordsVsPain 9th Jul 2008 7:06 am

Hacked Rockchip player from digital-e.hk
 
I bought this mp4 player:

http://i21.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/f3/1f/8fb1_1.JPG


Behind you can read:

Brand: Coby
4Gb
MP805-4G


I opened my player and saw:

a Hynix chip: HY27UV08BG5M
and a Rockchip chip: RK2608A

Is this real 4gb?

FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!

I bought it from from eBay My World: digital-e.hk.

moonisharsh 9th Jul 2008 8:00 am

There should have a worldwide code for repair, and looked as never been used, i only know the two points to check if it is real.

makd511 9th Jul 2008 8:08 am

should be fine, there have been no cases of hacked memory in rockchip players so all will be well

happy playing

WordsVsPain 9th Jul 2008 8:46 am

I'm asking this because I stored 4Gb of music... and some of them don't play... :| (all mp3).

By the other hand, it's strange that the player can't play it because when I plug it to my computer winamp plays directly from its flash memory without problems!

:\

admin 9th Jul 2008 1:17 pm

What type of files can't it play? What format are the files in?

Also, what is the error message you get when you try to play it?

WordsVsPain 9th Jul 2008 3:55 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by admin";p=&quot (Post 50297)
What type of files can't it play? What format are the files in?

Also, what is the error message you get when you try to play it?

only mp3 files

the stupid thing is for example:

I turn on my mp4 player... go to the explorer and try to open a file... "file format error" (or something like this). BUT if i play the previous album and a go to select the next songs all of them play well! Even that files that said "file format error" through the mp4 explorer menu!

I don't know if this is a hacked device! I visited coby website and realised that this model has only 2gb BUT (once again)... the chip inside the mp4 player is a hynix (4gb)...


All of this is so strange! I also got some stupid files when explorer trough windows (tipical when is a hacked device)...

Dunno... maybe a stupid firmware?

makd511 9th Jul 2008 4:40 pm

ty and reformat the memory, this may solve the problem, ill lose all data though, just do a normal windows format and see what it does,

also there are no hidden files on the player are there, no ini fils or anything llike that

does the system settings screen show 4gb memory size on the player itself

WordsVsPain 9th Jul 2008 4:45 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by makd511";p=&quot (Post 50300)
ty and reformat the memory, this may solve the problem, ill lose all data though, just do a normal windows format and see what it does,

also there are no hidden files on the player are there, no ini fils or anything llike that

does the system settings screen show 4gb memory size on the player itself

I already done it! Still with the same problems!

The system shows 4008Mb

admin 10th Jul 2008 1:28 am

Did you buy it directly from Coby? Or from somewhere else? Have you tried contacting the seller and told them about it? It doesn't sound really strange that at first, you get "file format error" but the second time around, it plays ok. That tells me there's definitely something not quite right with it.

WordsVsPain 10th Jul 2008 2:05 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by admin";p=&quot (Post 50310)
Did you buy it directly from Coby? Or from somewhere else? Have you tried contacting the seller and told them about it? It doesn't sound really strange that at first, you get "file format error" but the second time around, it plays ok. That tells me there's definitely something not quite right with it.

I bought it from from eBay My World: digital-e.hk.

the guy is asking to send it back... but I won't pay for it!

WordsVsPain 11th Jul 2008 6:22 am

NEWS: I made a call to COBY support line (+180072735921) and they say that they DO NOT make this model with 4GB capacity!...

So, what is supposed to do :( what can I do de have my money back? :(

Again... ebay scam!

sumbody 11th Jul 2008 7:43 pm

Re: My new MP4 - Is it real?
 
1. I Verified the Chip, and it is a 4 GB flash memory chip. (Specifications 32Gbit / 8 Bit) = 4 GBytes.

2. For your MP3 you might have to put I think there is a Maximum of 60 - 70 files per folder, so don't put all your music in one folder, make multiple folders and move them to a new folder and try the ones that gave you file format error again.

Sound like you got a 4 GB COBY CLONE, but should still work as a MP3 player and Movie player. The firmware will be different so you might want to AVOID flashing the device with original COBY firmware. If you got a CD with the unit, you might want to check that for the firmware, but use that only in an emergency.

You can try to return it, but no guarantees. If you paid 50 bucks for it, it may cost more to return it than to keep it.

WordsVsPain 12th Jul 2008 4:15 am

Re: My new MP4 - Is it real?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sumbody";p=&quot (Post 50372)
1. I Verified the Chip, and it is a 4 GB flash memory chip. (Specifications 32Gbit / 8 Bit) = 4 GBytes.

2. For your MP3 you might have to put I think there is a Maximum of 60 - 70 files per folder, so don't put all your music in one folder, make multiple folders and move them to a new folder and try the ones that gave you file format error again.

Sound like you got a 4 GB COBY CLONE, but should still work as a MP3 player and Movie player. The firmware will be different so you might want to AVOID flashing the device with original COBY firmware. If you got a CD with the unit, you might want to check that for the firmware, but use that only in an emergency.

You can try to return it, but no guarantees. If you paid 50 bucks for it, it may cost more to return it than to keep it.

1 - I already made it! without success! There are files that disapear, strange files that appear with chinese letters... :S

2 - There's no firmware file on the CD... :\

3 - This is a counterfeit, hacked, fake device! :\ I opened a dispute on paypal. But the guy don't want to refund me... he wants me to return the device! If I return the device the person who might have problems is me because export FAKE, Counterfeit... whatever, devices is a CRIME! And I don't want problems!

Nick of this guy on ebay: digital-e.hk

admin 12th Jul 2008 1:54 pm

Thanks for letting us know on the progress WordsVsPain.

This is the FIRST Rockchip player I've heard of that has been hacked!! So this is a real surprise to me.

Make sure you post NEGATIVE feedback about him in the auction so others know what he's done and scammed you.

Good luck with the dispute and post us the results.

WordsVsPain 12th Jul 2008 5:36 pm

Re: Hacked Rockchip player from digital-e.hk
 
Paypal dispute:

digital-e.hk:
Quote:

hi therei'm really sorry about the inconvenience, acutally i'm sure the mp4 player is fully 4gb memory, cause i tested all the mp4 player before i shipped to the buyer. anywayz if you are upset with my item, please kindly return the item to me with non registerened airmail. once i receieved it i will issued refund the full amount and the shipping cost to you!please kindly advice!siceren apologize!best regardsflorence
Me:
Quote:

Hello mister!I won't spend any cent to send this hacked item to you!Reason 1: this is not a real mp4 player! I tested it and borrow it to a spe******t who said the same! This memory chip is hacked! You can fill the device with 4gb in files BUT THEY BECOME CORRUPT!!!...Please read this site: http://www.xbox0.co.uk/Very nice.I do not accept to SPEND my money to send a DEVICE back that is HACKED (wich is a FRAUD). I won't spend a cent!As I said before I'm waiting for a full refund!repeating... I am not wasting more money returning it. It is not faulty, it is fraudulently hacked.I demand a FULL refund immediately. If you don't do this I will leave feedback warning people about you and I am contacting Ebay, Paypal, your other ripped off customers and the Federal Police.Thank you!
me
Quote:

Update: I made a call to COBY support line (+180072735921) and they say that they DO NOT make this model with 4GB capacity!... so this is a FAKE item... wich is a FRAUD! Wich is a CRIME!you can go to this link: http://www.cobyusa.com/?p=prod&prod_...1#specs-taband see for yourself!Time's running! I want my refund!
digital-e.hk:
Quote:

fristly i want to let you knowin ebay actuion i didnt metion it is brand of COBY. i only wrote this is 2.4" 4gb mp4 player.you should know that before you bidded it.NOW i dont want to aruge anymore. i just want to you return the item to me.than i will issued refund the money and the shipping cost to you!i will claim your dispute to ebay and paypal!many thankz!best regardsflorence

me:
Quote:

You don't know anything about law, counterfeit products etc.But I'll explain to you:You sold me a COUNTERFEIT, FAKE, and HACKED device. It doesn't matter if you said that it was a COBY or not! This is the same product that you listed! the same photo.I've all the evidences that I need to show. Chip numbers, serials, COBY contact, a spe******t in electronics to judge this situation... I won't send this item back because:1 - This is a counterfeit item. I don't want problems with the local police and the customs services!2 - I won't take the risk of sending it and "bye bye money".You've 48h hours to think! I want a full refund NOW!Time's running!Thanks

PS - I read someone who made a dispute on paypal and I took some sentences to use! :)

makd511 13th Jul 2008 12:28 am

now i am not completely convinced this is "hacked memory" and more convinved it is corrupted/damaged memory

i have nano clone that i gave to a mate of mine, all was ok with the 4gb untill after a while similar things were happening, files corrupted, not showing etc, errors opening.

This player was definately 4gb, but the memory had become corrupted and took it to windows to find and fi errors, it found many bad segments

have you had a go at error checking the memory at all

either way the player is duff and you are right to not send it back without a refund first and also it does seem to be a fake coby

admin 13th Jul 2008 1:24 am

Re: Hacked Rockchip player from digital-e.hk
 
makd511's got a good point.

Try following the steps in this Knowledge Base --> How to: Perform a scan disk and repair bad sectors.

See if that helps fix the problem.

WordsVsPain 13th Jul 2008 3:01 am

Re: Hacked Rockchip player from digital-e.hk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by admin";p=&quot (Post 50406)
makd511's got a good point.

Try following the steps in this Knowledge Base --> How to: Perform a scan disk and repair bad sectors.

See if that helps fix the problem.

Did not solve the problem mate :(

Anyway Coby is a registered brand! So this is a Fraudulent Copy! (because coby DOES NOT make this model with 4GB)

And about the chip, it's easy to print whatever you want to print out there!

bencebacsi 13th Jul 2008 4:08 pm

You are on the wrong way. I bought approximately 20 pcs. of this player from digital-e.hk, and tested some of them. All tested players have real 4GB memory, what I copied to them, I could read back from the entire area of the memory. That's not a surprise, because RockChip players can not be hacked. You shouldn't bawl here, if you don't know how can a hacked memory be verified. Your playing problems caused by incompatibility, or you simply have a defective item.
In the other hand, that's a fact, Coby provides these players actually with 2GB memory. All the 4GB players I have received, have a unique serial number labelled on the back side, what also can be a fake of course. I think so, these 4GB players made by the same manufactory like the official Coby MP-805s, but the company will launch them later. Coby MP-805 is virtually a no-name brand. Who would counterfeit a no-name thing?

WordsVsPain 13th Jul 2008 5:00 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bencebacsi";p=&quot (Post 50427)
You are on the wrong way. I bought approximately 20 pcs. of this player from digital-e.hk, and tested some of them. All tested players have real 4GB memory, what I copied to them, I could read back from the entire area of the memory. That's not a surprise, because RockChip players can not be hacked. You shouldn't bawl here, if you don't know how can a hacked memory be verified. Your playing problems caused by incompatibility, or you simply have a defective item.
In the other hand, that's a fact, Coby provides these players actually with 2GB memory. All the 4GB players I have received, have a unique serial number labelled on the back side, what also can be a fake of course. I think so, these 4GB players made by the same manufactory like the official Coby MP-805s, but the company will launch them later. Coby MP-805 is virtually a no-name brand. Who would counterfeit a no-name thing?

My friend! Coby DOES NOT and Won't make MP-805 Players with 4Gb. Call them to the number that I posted or email them! It's easy!

When you use a registered brand do sell something that does not exist you have a nice FRAUD, and CRIME. incompatibility? what? two persons, 5 diferent Operating Systems?

"All the 4GB players I have received, have a unique serial number labelled on the back side, what also can be a fake of course. I think so, these 4GB players made by the same manufactory like the official Coby MP-805s, but the company will launch them later." Yeah... and I'm Santa...

Cmon...

PS - When I store more than 2Gb the files become corrupt...
PS2 - "because RockChip players can not be hacked" - everything can be hacked... manipulated etc...

bencebacsi 13th Jul 2008 5:46 pm

You declared that, your player has hacked memory, but that's not true. You should accept it. If you don't know, what is the hacked memory, that's quite hard to believe, you know all about Coby. Oh, you have received an e-mail from them, so you know everything. Do you believe that? Btw, incompatibility... Think it again, please! Your player can't play some files, but Winamp can play them from the same place, so you use the same memory in both case. Is this a hacked memory in your opinion? Jesus! The format of your mp3 files can be incompatible with the player. If your player would be hacked, you could use the half (or less) of the full capacity. One more question: Did you try to use another USB cable? One more example: Once upon a time, some guys on eBay began to sell 8GB Meizu miniplayers, when that didn't exsist on the market. At that time, people at Meizu's customer support told that: There's no 8GB Meizu on the market. At a later time, the 8GB Meizus were launched by official sellers too.

WordsVsPain 13th Jul 2008 5:50 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bencebacsi";p=&quot (Post 50430)
You declared that, your player has hacked memory, but that's not true. You should accept it. If you don't know, what is the hacked memory, that's quite hard to believe, you know all about Coby. Oh, you have received an e-mail from them, so you know everything. Do you believe that? Btw, incompatibility... Think it again, please! Your player can't play some files, but Winamp can play them from the same place, so you use the same memory in both case. Is this a hacked memory in your opinion? Jesus! The format of your mp3 files can be incompatible with the player. If your player would be hacked, you could use the half (or less) of the full capacity. One more question: Did you try to use another USB cable? One more example: Once upon a time, some guys on eBay began to sell 8GB Meizu miniplayers, when that didn't exsist on the market. At that time, people at Meizu's customer support told that: There's no 8GB Meizu on the market. At a later time, the 8GB Meizus were launched by official sellers too.

The one who said that the chip is hacked wasn't me, but our admin who created a shortcut here for my thread!

But... hacked or not I don't care! This is the tipical situation with chinese ebay mpx... files becaming corrupt etc...

And I can assure you that selling a product that a brand does not make is a crime... so I want a refund full stop!

He refund me first and then I send the brick back... no problems...

WordsVsPain 13th Jul 2008 5:53 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WordsVsPain";p=&quot (Post 50431)
Quote:

Originally Posted by bencebacsi";p=&quot (Post 50430)
You declared that, your player has hacked memory, but that's not true. You should accept it. If you don't know, what is the hacked memory, that's quite hard to believe, you know all about Coby. Oh, you have received an e-mail from them, so you know everything. Do you believe that? Btw, incompatibility... Think it again, please! Your player can't play some files, but Winamp can play them from the same place, so you use the same memory in both case. Is this a hacked memory in your opinion? Jesus! The format of your mp3 files can be incompatible with the player. If your player would be hacked, you could use the half (or less) of the full capacity. One more question: Did you try to use another USB cable? One more example: Once upon a time, some guys on eBay began to sell 8GB Meizu miniplayers, when that didn't exsist on the market. At that time, people at Meizu's customer support told that: There's no 8GB Meizu on the market. At a later time, the 8GB Meizus were launched by official sellers too.

The one who said that the chip is hacked wasn't me, but our admin who created a shortcut here for my thread!

But... hacked or not I don't care! This is the tipical situation with chinese ebay mpx... files becaming corrupt etc...

And I can assure you that selling a product that a brand does not make is a crime... so I want a refund full stop!

He refund me first and then I send the brick back... no problems...

Edit: winamp can play the files when they are not modifed (with that stupid chinese letters)... this just tells me that the firmware of this device is crap. But we are talking about the 4gb

bencebacsi 13th Jul 2008 6:04 pm

Yes, we are talking about 4GB and these players have real 4GB memory. But, what is Chinese mpx? China makes branded and unbranded, outstanding quality and poor quality players too.

WordsVsPain 13th Jul 2008 6:06 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bencebacsi";p=&quot (Post 50433)
Yes, we are talking about 4GB and these players have real 4GB memory. But, what is Chinese mpx? China makes branded and unbranded, outstanding quality and poor quality players too.

I'm talking about the 90% fakes on ebay!

You're lucky that all yours 20 players had 4gb! My player stress AKA corrupt my files if I put more than 2gb

bencebacsi 13th Jul 2008 6:15 pm

I know that. They all are Actions chipset players. I'm not lucky (I bought many hacked players and restored them before reselling), just experienced. You can buy Actions based players with always real memory from dailywin.

admin 14th Jul 2008 1:10 am

Re: Hacked Rockchip player from digital-e.hk
 
Hi bencebacsi,

Yes, that was me with the topic change. I changed the subject so it reads more obvious from the beginning.

I think it's good that you got 20 pcs which have verified 4GB of memory. That's not to say that the rest of the players are good fine as well. There is the possiblity that digital-e.hk got ripped by the guy who is selling the memory and decided to sell him hacked memory instead? Perhaps there is the possiblity that the memory is faulty/corrupted....? There are a few possiblities.

It does sound highly suspecious that files do work then don't work later. WordsVsPain has tried formatting the memory as well as trying to fix the bad sectors but have the same result. It's hard to say 100% exactly what the problem might because because we don't have the player there.

Let's see how this folds out.....

WordsVsPain 14th Jul 2008 4:32 am

Re: Hacked Rockchip player from digital-e.hk
 
seller:

Quote:

please kindly return the item to meonce i receieved the postage i will issued refund the money and the shipping cost to you.you dont have to worry about the refundyou already open the paypal dispute, if you return the postage to me and post what date you shipped on this dispute, paypal will refund the moeny to you via this dispute.sorry for the inconveniencemany thankzbest regardsflorence
me:
Quote:

I'm sorry but at this moment I do not trust to send the item first.Question: will you refund me first or not? If not we do not have anything else to discuss and I'll escalate this dispute to a claim with PayPal.Thank you!

bencebacsi 14th Jul 2008 5:22 am

You're going against eBay's policy. Your dispute will close without a refund, if you don't provide the tracking number of your shippment. You have to send back the item first, to receive the refund. If you think so, that's not lawful, I'd like to tell you another story. I won a GPS receiver on eBay at a Chinese seller a month ago. this seller advertised free ship worldwide, but after the auction he/she asked me for $15 USD shipping cost. I didn't pay, but asked the seller to remove that shipping cost. The seller never responded, but opened an unpaid item dispute. In the dispute, I asked the seller: "O.k., if I pay for it, will you send this item?" The seller didn't respond, but closed the dispute and I have received an unpaid item strike. Now I have an unpaid item strike by a fraudulent seller, and I can do nothing. This is eBay's policy.

WordsVsPain 14th Jul 2008 5:43 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bencebacsi";p=&quot (Post 50452)
You're going against eBay's policy. Your dispute will close without a refund, if you don't provide the tracking number of your shippment. You have to send back the item first, to receive the refund. If you think so, that's not lawful, I'd like to tell you another story. I won a GPS receiver on eBay at a Chinese seller a month ago. this seller advertised free ship worldwide, but after the auction he/she asked me for $15 USD shipping cost. I didn't pay, but asked the seller to remove that shipping cost. The seller never responded, but opened an unpaid item dispute. In the dispute, I asked the seller: "O.k., if I pay for it, will you send this item?" The seller didn't respond, but closed the dispute and I have received an unpaid item strike. Now I have an unpaid item strike by a fraudulent seller, and I can do nothing. This is eBay's policy.

Do you know that it's a crime to export counterfeit, fake or hacked products right? (at least in my country is)...

So I'm taking the risk of sending it back! I don't know how the other countries work.

In portugal our customs services check the product when it's to export outside the E.U. They investigate the origin of the item, the brand etc... so, since coby does not make this player It's a risk for me (yeah, I can have problems with the police). So, I think that I am beeing very comprehensive with this guy!

WordsVsPain 14th Jul 2008 7:09 pm

Re: Hacked Rockchip player from digital-e.hk
 
Feedback that digital-e.hk left me:

Quote:

**WARNING!!!** CHEATER EBAYER!!!LEFT NEGATIVE TO MENACE THE SELLER! **WARNING **
Stupid...

my reply:

Quote:

Sold a Clone COBY MP-805 w/4Gb.It corrupts my files.COBY does not make 805 w/4GB

WordsVsPain 16th Jul 2008 2:02 pm

Re: Hacked Rockchip player from digital-e.hk
 
I escalated this dispute to a Claim:

Quote:

Very well I tried to solve this situation the good way.

Everybody knows that a lot of asiatic sellers scam ppl on ebay. Ones for conterfeit products, others by hacked items... etc.

In my case I wanted the refund first because after this seller does not inspire me any confidence. I saw a lot of negative feedback on its account.

So, this seller sold me a mp4 player. It corrupts my data, has bad programed firmware etc. But the big thing is that this product is counterfeit.

As you can see in this photo: http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9553/img085sv9.jpg

this is "supposed" to be a coby player. A MP805. I contacted Coby by phone and email and they said that they do NOT make this players with 4Gb. So this is a fake, copy, counterfeit product (whatever you want to name it). You can even see it here: http://www.cobyusa.com/?p=prod&prod_...1001#specs-tab

In my country people can have problems exporting this kind of products, that's why I asked the seller to refund me first (because the confidence that I lost in him). I wanted to return it (even considering that I could take some problems with the police)

The seller did not reply anymore and gave me a stupid feedback for this situation. So my conversation with him is over!

Plus, I'll contact the local police, The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) wich is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C) about this situation.

Regards.


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