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Hey Binh- Welcome back to the 'net. I gave you up for dead. Glad you're back! This is a great resource and I'm glad we all didn't lose it...

Perspective : Keep in mind that what we are all dealing with here are communists. Not a put down, just a fact. Communists do not respect private property, patents, copyrights, or our intellectual property rights.
Ever wonder why you can buy a dvd of MIB, or the Matrix for 99 cents plus $15 shipping?
It's because they are pirates who steal our content, then sell it back to us for pennies + shipping.
Don't think for a moment that the manufacturer's don't know what they are doing. It's just a way to play into a hot American market, and siphon off some strong American dollars into their country.
Our only defense is knowledge. We can beat them at their own game. Keep them honest with our knowledge of what they are up to.
We have the thing they want: our money. Keep them honest the way we are. There is no free lunch. Demand your money back, file complaints, and report here the sellers who switch names. Hunt them down and expose them here. Keep it up guys. You're doin great. There are now several Ebay chinese merchants on the run from you guys. Track them....
If they give you resistance, send them the article I wrote here on Wikipedia :

http://www.s1mp3.org/wiki/index.php/...e#The_solution
or here:
http://www.mympxplayer.org/viewtopic.php?t=839
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" Bestmp4 " changed EBay ID to " chinadragonsell " on Sep 7 2006

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Anyone who bought one off bestmp4, what name is showing up in your paypal history? I want to know the real name(s) of the one behind it!

hey yeah i bought a 4gb player, sigh really only a 1gb god i left that scammer positive feedback too ... well not much i can do i dont want to deal with sending it back and refunds and stuff i guess i have to live with 1gb, ...

actually i dont know big mine is, the disk tool said 1gb, but wouldnt format it for some reasons so i used the HP tool thing and formatted it and its still 3.99GB but if i put more then 1 gig of stuff on it, it shuts off while trying to play the files beyound 1gb ...

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F**K I recenty purchased 2 x 2 GIG players from Honk Kong. I only wanted one but didnt realise I had won an earlier auction. I did the nice thing and paid for both. One was from sky_tower and the other eshop3721. Funny enough they both came on the same day from the same place..and both are 1 gig units!!! FFS...

How would you advise to proceed? I cant let them get away with this..

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oops, that above is from me, didnt realise i wasnt logged in

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@B00G3r

You can try emailing the seller and see if he answers but i doubt it.
Best thing to do is make a claim with Paypal for 'goods being sold not as described',you usually have to then wait for the seller to respond but that can take some time so 24hrs after you make the claim go back to paypal and escalate it to a 'full claim' (cant remember the complete wording but you will see what i mean when you go back in).
You also have to say what would be acceptable compensation you would accept against the claim,so if you have 1gb and should be 2gb take a look at what the 1gb's sell for,deduct a bit more for all your trouble and see what happens.
If the seller now doesnt repsond Paypal themselves will make the decision.
Dont forget to go back and update your feedback to let others know what a con-artist they are.

Good luck!!!

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I bought a ChiPod "4GB" Nano clone (the kind with MENU at the top of the button circle) off eBay from Hong Kong. Yeah, yeah, I know. Massive postage, but AU$83 all up didn't seem too bad.

I assumed it had the hacked problem, because of corrupting and disappearing files. Windows said 4GB, and files went on there, but disconnect the USB, connect again and they're gone.

I reformatted the disk using the tool downloaded from here (after getting a virus warning on the supplied tool) - I had to tell it to format with a secure section then reformat without to get around the "Disk type not supported" message. Now Windows tells me 2GB, and I only had a few files go corrupt, probably as a result of moving them around on the device (or maybe they're at the memory limit - I've never seen a "Drive full" message).

The seller swears that it was checked as 4GB (dubious). So, being an ornery stubborn person, I've cracked it open to look at the chip and get some evidence (probably voiding any kind of refund possibility, but at least I'LL BE RIGHT, and we all know that's what counts). The chip imprint says:

SAMSUNG 622
K9NBG08U5M
PCB0
CAE520HE

According to the Samsung website, that's a 4G x 8bit chip. Am I confused? Well, yes. Have they printed it with a fake chip label? Or could it be an actual 4GB chip, and I've somehow stuffed it up with the formatting?

I'm really confused about the folder file limits people have mentioned. Can I just pile everything into album subfolders under artist folders in the root folder, or not? I kind of expected I'd be able to see song lists, not just folders, but no. And why does the song name scroll so slowly? Hurrah for Chinese knockoffs, hey?

The battery life was advertised as ~8 hours. With the LCD screen set to go off after 5 seconds, I've gotten about 3 hours out of it just playing MP3s. That's rubbish. (By the way, does anyone know what "Darkle" means? Under LCD settings, it has Black and Darkle, which both have sliders, but if I change one then check the other, it's also moved to the same setting. Seems to be the screen poweroff time after a button is pressed, but why have two settings, and why call one Darkle, like Sparkle but Dark?!!! Do they not have Chinese-English dictionaries?)

Any assistance from electronics experts, Windows boffins or reasonably-priced hitmen based in Hong Kong would be gratefully accepted.

Tristan

I just bought a 4gb "mp4 digital player" nano clone and it turn out to be 2gb... :( everything i upload beyong 2gb doesnt work

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I recently purchased a "4gb" nano clone from ebay. I extensively read all of the warnings and reviews about the clones and decided to go ahead and risk it anyway...

When I received it windows said "4.08gb" and after several of the data files that I added to it went crazy (with them containing countless 0kb files in Jap. characters which I couldn't delete), I reformatted and the filesize slightly went down to 3.98gb. And according to windows, I've used about 2.63gbs of space.

And after reading about the elusive 4gb nano clone myth, I can only assume that my player, like all of the others, is hacked.

Now, my question is, how do I know for sure?

Guest, You have to open the player and check the make and serial number of the memory chip, the largest chip on the board. you will find a list of Samsung and Hynix chip sizes here
http://www.mympxplayer.org/viewtopic.php?p=9204#9204

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I am now in receipt of my second (i.e replacement) hacked 4GB nano clone from EBay seller products_foreign.

Using the tips and tools found on this website, was able to confirm the unit was 2GB and USB 1.1, not 2.0 as advertised (supicious about USB 2 because data transfer rates were v. slow).

A replacement was eventually sent, but only after negative feedback was left and a dispute lodged with EBay. No response obtained to initial emails. The replacement is an identical dud.

As payback and to convince me to remove negative feedback, the seller left some bizarre negative feeback for me (EBay member mscta ). Have responded to this by posting a link to the relevant sticky on your forum so other potential buyers won't be sucked in.

lennep,

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

I think you did a good think posting negative feedback and link on his feedback. If we can stop others falling into the same trap, that would be a start.

What size did you end up with in the end?

When people advertise "USB 2.0", there are actually TWO different versions.

Here is a summary:

"Full Speed USB is only 12Mbits/second where Hi-Speed USB mode is capable of a much faster 480Mbits/second."

Full details and FAQ on USB can be found here: http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm.

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Reformatted size = 2GB. Interestingly, reformat using the HPUSBFW tool did not show true size, again displaying 4GB. Unconvinced, I used the CheckUDisc tool which confirmed 2GB.

USBInfo and SiSoft confirmed status as USB 1.1 with very slow data transfer when benchmarked against a USB 2.0 flash drive.

I sent screen grabs of the reformatted capacity and USB benchmarks to the seller. Additionally, I photographed and sent images of the flash memory chip, along with a grab of the relevant data from the Samsung website to confirm it is a 2GB chip(KWAG08U1A).

I don't yet what his counter argument will be in the face of such overwhelming evidence of his fraudulent selling, but I do think he is hurting from the -ve feedback.

Hi

One more member of the hacked 4GB club here - bought off e-bay from seller mp2_exp. How are peoples complaints to seller/ebay/paypal going? Is it worth the hassle or should I just accept the fact that I have a 2GB player for GBP40

Regards
Gilbert

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Gilbert, usually if you do come an agreement with your seller for a full refund (some cases less 20-25% "restocking fee"), they would only refund your buying price, not postage price. What's more you need to pay for postage back to seller.
In the end, if you do get a buying price refund, you would have spent the postage to you (which usually is quite expensive) + postage back to seller. I would suggest you getting some refund from the seller for the price difference between 2GB & 4GB players.

I paid around AU$100 (about GBP40) including postage for a "4GB", but ended up with a 2GB. However, the seller wasn't a dealer selling all these things but just a normal person selling off her stuff.

I worked out that it wasn't worth going through the hassle of refunds and just made do with it.

Hello All.

I have just bought a 4GB MP4 which is giving me trouble. When I try to put mp3 in, it will accept upto 2gb. If I put more, they will corrupt and the only way to delete them is my running scandisc with the option to fix system file errors, and when its done, the corrupted files are then deletable. Further more I have a 1MB partition which is I cannot delete, format or access. Could this partition contain the hack? Should I use a new full firmware for my 35.37 1.8" Mp4?

Thanks all..

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Xenobius , never ever use another firmware for your player, it will most definitely kill your player. Unless your player is dead and you are trying to recover it.

From your problem of corrupted files, likely your memory is a hacked 2GB chip. I would suggest that you format your player using the MP3 Utilities Disk Tool, and go to the Partition & Encrypt tab, set the slider to max (right) format it. Then repeat the steps but now set the sldier to min (left) and format it. This would most probably remove the 1MB partition and recombine everything into 1 partition.

Yes thanks for your reply. Could you kindly let me know were to get this software that you mentioned?

Thank you

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Xenobius , there are various versions available in the downloads section.

Version 4.05 is Here.

Version 3.68 is Here.

Hi all,
I bid on a couple of these "4GB" players on Ebay but having read through this topic I think I'm glad I got outbid!

I'm not really up to date on all the technical aspects of these players so could anyone tell me if the players for sale by chiching08 or halimdehelen for example are like the hacked players some of you guys bought? The second one has a couple of pages of negative feedback so I guess the ones they are selling are fake...

If I've understood right from reading through this topic the bottom line is that a 4GB player doesn't exist, is that it?

Thanks :wink:

Nico,
At the moment 2GB is the most memory that this type of player can support. That said there are still hacked 2GB players on the market. If a trader is offering players over 2GB do not buy any players of them as they are more than likely all coming from the same manufacturer and there is a risk that all sizes could be hacked.

uxcell.com has had been recommended by a few members as a reputable trader offering good prices for their products, I understand they also trade on ebay.

Thanks for the feedback tadad1. I should have known a 4GB player starting at €1.50 with free postage was too good to be true. It just shows that you really need to be aware of what to look out for in Ebay listings.

I've bought a 2GB player from electronic_super_deals on Ebay. They have a 99.7% positive rating since 2000. I bought a 1GB player from them earlier in the year and it was perfect (until the screen cracked while in my bag but that was entirely my fault for letting it float around between keys, hairbrush and other sharp things). It still works despite me having dropped it several times, but I fancied a model with picture and video capabilities so hopefully the one I have ordered will be just as good.

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Nico...I've bought several 2 GB players from electronic_super_deals (2 speaker models 93b5 and 93s5) and found them to be excellent. The firmware has been Lisong LSD_502_03 SDK:35.37 2006-06-23 and allows for "File select" browsing as well as the usual folder browsing. It can play 16 fps AMV video.

The items came with box from Hong Kong and were packed identically in a sealed padded envelope via trackable registered mail. Wish all EBay buying "experiences" were as good. The pricing was excellent as well.

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jp,
I had a similar experience with electronic_super_deals the last time I bought from them: player came in box in a padded envelope in an incredibly fast delivery time considering it came from Hong Kong.

I saw cheaper offers on Ebay this time around but decided to with this seller as they seem reliable, and as I had such a good experience last time. The price was also very reasonable, about €30 for the player and the same for postage. I also liked the fact that it says this player has subfolder support as I listen to music in several different languages so it will be handy to be able to categorise them.

I'm glad to hear you had good experiences with the 2GB players you bought from this seller. I was a bit wary after finding out how some sellers can con you but you have reassured me now :lol:

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Nico...I did a test with subfolders and was able to create and access on my player 6 levels of subfolders (didn't test further than 6 levels) within a main Music folder so you should have lots of flexibility in terms of organizing your music, dependiing on your particular player.

I've also found that my player will pick up the signal from my FM transmitter up to several feet away without having to plug headphones in to the player. So using the FM radio feature, whatever is playing from my computer via my FM transmitter (EBay purchase from Hong Kong; the one with the full band broadcast capability and built in thermometer), I can receive and play through the built in speakers without requiring an additional aerial. Any other player that I've tested requires headphones to act as an aerial for clear reception.

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jp,
This is the model I've bought. One of the features it mentions is "FM Digital Radio Integrated-in Player (NOT FM HEADPHONE)" so I presume that is the same as how your player can pick up FM signal? I'm not quite sure what all of the tecnical specifications in the listing mean but does it seem like a decent enough product to you?

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It should be a great player. I got a similar player to this one from a different vendor a few months ago. They are really tiny and mine works really well. Mine will play video at 16 fps for the 160 by 120 screen size. So I use AMV converter v4.00. It's a bit buggy and tends to crash if I try and convert more than two files in succession. I haven't found any other versions that will convert at the larger size at 16 fps.

Yours will probably have a bit better screen and more current firmware. Mine has a built in FM radio like yours does (some mp3 players come with a separate radio that's part of the headphones - generally don't work well).

The only problem that I found was that the speaker wasn't very loud which is why I got the 2 speaker player from electronic_super_deals. In the meantime, I've learned to use Super video converter and VDub to increase the audio volume (as well as improving the picture quality) so that the resulting converted video is louder. The speaker is certainly loud enough if using the player in a quiet setting.

The class screen cover is fragile as it is quite large and the glass is thin. Mine broke shortly after getting it so I removed it and covered the area with a hard acrylic LCD protector from 'da Products. I'd recommend doing something similar before the cover breaks as the sharp glass fragments can damage the screen. I was lucky and only had a small nick in mine.

http://www.daproducts.com/lcdp.htm

Good luck!

jp, You can use Version 3.57 to convert 160x120 at 16fps without the bug hassels of 4.0 by setting it up as posted HERE but in your case leave the VFBS setting to "high"

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tadad, thanks for pointing that out. The 160x120 files converted with 3.57 also seem to play smoothly on my 128x128 1.5" player (so far) whereas 160x120 files created with 4.00 have audio problems.

Incidentally, I found that I can have all versions of the converter useable if I install the version normally, copy the folder from "Program Files" into another folder (ie "AMV converter versions"), uninstall using add/remove programs, then install the next version and repeat. I launch the version by clicking on the .exe file for whichever version I wish to use. All versions seem to work normally.

jp, Glad it helped, regarding multi installs the installer does a registry search for other version uninstall files so if you delete the uninstall registry keys for each version as you install it you can install them one after the other and retain all your start menu shortcuts.

Glad to hear you had a good experience with a similar player jp. I guess I'll experiment with different settings for video playback etc when I get it to see what works best. I'll definitly try yours and tadad1's suggestions to begin with as I've never tried converting videos for this sort of player before. I think it would be wise to invest in a screen protector as I have already had the screen on my other mp3 player shatter and I don't want that to happen with this new one!

i bought a 2 gb mp4 player from ebay which after formatting shows only 108mb of space.you can find many similar type of item at the ebay and each product comes with the instruction - "plz do not format".

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instrumentation, I also bought a 2 GB mp4 player from a seller on Ebay to give as a gift but like yours it only shows 108MB of space :?

I copied 2 albums of about 10/11 songs to it, then when I tried to add a third album it said disk full. What going on??


Edit: Ok I just read back to Iridium's first post about BIT vs BYTE and the fact that 2 gigaBIT=256mb. But the player was simple advertised as 2 GB so how was I supposed to know it was gigabits and not gigabytes! I have e-mailed the seller regarding this so it will be interesting to hear their reply...

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Nico , probably the 2 albums used up almost all of the available 108MB space. Thus giving the disk full error when you try copying more files in.

GB is definitely GigaByte, whereas Gb is Gigabit, notice the caps for the 'B'. These are standard SI units, and if they delibrately list their ads as GB knowing that it is actually Gb, most likely you can win a dispute in ebay.

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lattesurf, yeah I figured that the two albums used up all the space which is when I realised what I had bought.

The player was listed as 2 GB here. It specifically states: Memory Capacity: 2GB (Samsung flash chip) with the 2 GB in capital letters. Maybe it was an honest mistake on the part of the seller as they seem to deal mostly in clothing items, but I will have to wait to hear back from them before I decide what to do I suppose.

Don't buy any Mp3 or memory card from China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are all disguised to be 4GB.

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jimmylamhk, actually almost 99% of all chipods/nano-clones comes from china. Even those sold in big departmental stores and electronics stores also get their players from china. The only difference is that they sell authentic players with the actual stated memory capacity.

Hello all, this is my first post so please be gentle.
I would just like to add my deep unhappiness at being ripped of with Hong Kong ebay sellers. I too purchased not 1 not 2 but 3 so called 4gb mp players and yes i fell for it bigtime. paid for a total of 12gb and ended up with 25% of the total memory.
(paypal disputes pending).
and the not so helpful sellers:Helen pang + buymall a.k.a. lcdguard A.K.A kcshophk a.k.a.bestmp4 how they sleep at night without night terrors is beyond me.
I would still have gladly bought all 3 players with the less memory at a fair price if the sellers had been honest and upfront.rather than hack the players .as i do like the extras available eg: radio / video / images /games etc. (thank you for reading my gripe.)