OGG music

[DaremoS]

Support of .ogg in Chinese mp3/mp4 player can be the best new that an audio fan could have received!!!... Then sincere and enthusiastic thanks for the advice!!!
In fact, this little Chinese machines plays .ogg files (please don’t call them nanofakes). In music screen are shown as mp3, but in the sliding title is shown the correct extension .ogg. Then support in S1 mp3 player software is proved.
Ogg vorbis format delivers the same quality of mp3 in less space, which can be quite useful when if comes to be used in small memory devices.
According to sound experts ogg vorbis is a better music encoder than mp3, being both ogg and mp3 better than aac format, the standard of iPod machines.
More important is the fact that being an open source can be uses widely without the restriction of mp3 and of course the scandalous restrictions of music format of iPod machines.
So Chinese machines have the lack of the impressive marketing and support of iPod, but concerning to sound quality, with its ability of play ogg encoded music, surpass by far the expensive product of Apple, which is what audio fans really requires.
In this aspect there are two important consequences:
1. MyMPxPlayer.org is called to be an important support site for a wonderful machine with hidden capabilities but with an evident lack in marketing and support
2. Stop believing that the price you pay for an iPod assures you a good sound which is not true. The expensive Apple product only assures (probably) a good manufacturing quality, some support and a impressive marketing including a limited piece of software… but lots of restrictions and limitations in sound and fun.
Then forget about nanofakes… our Mp3/mp4 players is a better, less costly and lovely machines with a wonderful sound.
Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis

[exmt]

If you wanted to play ogg files with an ipod, you could re-firmware it with RockBox. Of course, then it wouldn't have the same aesthetic appeal..

Hey, I'm a newbie at OGG files...for some reason I test ripped a CD in 128kbps MP3, then ripped the same song again with OGG(quality 4.0), but for some reason, the MP3 sounds significantly better than the OGG?

[HymenBuster]

^^ maybe ur ogg encoder is bad.

actualyl ogg and wma are both good codecs, ogg lil better in some areas and wma better in some others. i still would use wma bc it is supported in more things.

[DaremoS]

exmt
My experiences with ogg files are always in bitrates above 192 kbs, being my favorite choice -q8 ~256 kbit/s... here is what wikipedia explain (you can check it following the URL included in my previous comment):
"Many users feel that Vorbis reaches transparency (sound quality that is indistinguishable from the original source recording) at a quality setting of -q5, approximately 160 kbit/s.[citation needed] For comparison, it is commonly felt that MP3 reaches transparency at around 192 kbit/s, resulting in larger file sizes for the same sound quality"
Anyway in sound quality there is always some personal feeling, even when sound is measures with instruments.
Personally I prefer lossless codecs (APE or FLAC) not supported by mp4 S1 MP3. So trying to reach the highest quality I tested the same songs encoded in mp3 lame@320 versus ogg from q10 to q7.
-q10 provide a bitrate ~500 kbit/s which unfortunately was badly reproduced in my MPx.
All the other level of quality were correctly reproduced being -q8 ~256 the one that provide better result considering quality and size of the file, resulting in a module 15% less than the size of mp3. Definitively this is my option for ogg encoding.
Concerning iPod, according with experts, aac is the worse encoder of this three: mp3 Lame, Ogg Vorbis and aac, however iPod users seems to be satisfied with the sound they obtain ripping their cds. Obviously what they have paid deserve to believe that, in other words, due to subjective reasons.
In any case I have no doubt of the quality in manufacture of Apple products... I just don’t want to pay them for that, especially due to all restrictions they have put in their products for commercial reasons.
I am a happy audio fan having this priceless gift given by Chinese makers: an ogg player!!! beside a good mp3 player that handles pretty well in both codecs @ 320 kbit/s
greetz

[exmt]

Oh thanks! So maybe I should give quality 5.0+ a shot..
I was using the Winamp ogg encoder plugin by Michael Facquet. It's pretty popular. I must have set the quality too low when I encoded it.

[Que]

Mmmm, I love OGG, so much more transparancy in the sound. Good to hear some will play ogg now too, no mention on it on uxcell.com. Gonna mail them and see what gives!

[bluemonk]

BTW, does anyone knows any good OGG encoder/ripper?
Thanks a lot.

[Que]

I use Cowon Jetaudio. Winamp is good too.