I didn t buy it from e-bay but the server is almost the same shit.... www.aukro.cz is the fcn' staff..

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thkx i almost bought one from one in the list now i know better thanks to you guys :) keep up the good work i whould sign the petition but i didnt get scammed :P but i will tell my friends about it,and ask em to sign if they feel they should if they got scammed ! :D
shortcut

Doing that right away... I lost £100 of that from VisuoLand... DO NOT TRUST THEM!

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Look at this guys listing.
Here is an actual qoute
"Remark: The advertised memory capacity of this device represents unformatted capacity. Please note that once formatted and due to variations in flash module block limitations, the functional storage space will be lower than the advertised capacity"

Can you believe this he sells them as 4gb and at 4gb price!

Username is Directimport4u he should also be added to the list,blatantly selling hacked players

http://cgi.ebay.com/BLUE-4-GB-4GB-4G...em120094212468

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Buyer dragon.direct Mar-06-07 07:29 left feedback for Directimport4u "'FRAUD! Sells hacked memory 4GB is really ONLY 1GB!! Why should I pay for return!"

Is that you Punisher or some other victim?

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Lucky you.

I also had PayPal generously (ha ha!) offer a refund if I paid for tracked return postage for my hacked 1GB player (sold as 4GB). They also suggested I communicate directly with seller (keistore, now changed to keisquare) to resolve dispute. However, there was no provision to advise PayPal I was doing this.

So, while keistore stalled, by not responding to emails, PayPal closed the claim!

Keistore/keisquare has now gone Private with Feedback Profile, & with 100 negatives in the last month I can understand why. However, whilst having a Private Feedback Profile stops everyone from seeing the feedback keistore/keisquare has received, it doesn't stop him making all sorts of false claims about others. What a system!! He gives me negative feedback, saying I didn't communicate with him, which everyone can read, but no-one can see my response, or what feedback I gave him in the first place (& why I gave that feedback). And, call me old-fashioned, but I don't regard 6 emails on my part (3 via a PayPal dispute, & 3 via an ebay dispute) no communication. However, I do call no response to any of those emails as being 'no communication'.

I'd like to say beware of keistore/keisquare, but I fear that by now he has a new ebay identity & is only visiting his old account in order to damage other people's reputations by leaving negative feedback for anyone who dares to reveal him for what he is.

The irony is that the player I bought is a great 1GB player. It has a nice (2 inch) screen, a speaker (not flash, but good enough to listen to in the office at night without wearing earphones etc), it uses readily replaceable Nokia phone batteries, & has a 3.5mm headphone socket. All pluses for me.

All he needed to do was be honest.

Is that too much to ask?

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Hi guys. Great idea on the petition. Signed as #617....I think LOL. Here is a copy of the email I sent to MP4Plus2007 (are they on your blacklist?)

You lied when you stated 4Gb and of course you knew that. I will not be sending it back for a refund as I am not paying out of pocket to send back an item which you sold under false pretenses. I will be happy to send the item back if you agree to refund me all of my costs from the auction plus an additional 5 pounds to cover shipping to send it back.

Failing that, I am asking for a partial refund as I only got half of the player I was supposed to, and you knew that when you sold it.

Please contact me ASAP. If I have not heard from you in three days I will file a claim with PayPal.

Details for item number: 110095252873


Keep up the good work!

Yep got a hacked player as well. When my battery died which was very long after I bought the unit, I replace it. Loosing power reset the unit and after reformatting the memory went from 4g to 2g or 1.90 to be exact. The seller has been ignoring all contact. I would sign the petition but, I no longer have the item no. However the seller Sky Tower is still on ebay but they no longer sell nano clones. They are selling nintendo's.

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Not to offend anyone or anything but I haven't used ebay yet because I think its too much scam. Im not advertising or anything but I use ubid.com, Thats where I bought my 2gb nano clone. And the price seems the same. 1 good thing about ubid, is that its like ebay but the seller has to be certified to sell their products so If you want to buy something and got something else you can return it back and ubid helds the full responsibility of the item..But ebay is popular and used world wide. And also Ill sign the petition to help others.

Christine

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HI, on average I purchase 10-20 mp4 players every 2 weeks off ebay. Meizu is my fav.

1. you can get ripped off buying anything on ebay, be careful and it wont happen.

2. You spend 80$ on a 8gig player , then you find out it is only a 2gig player, So What! you still saved money compared to retail.

If you want zero risk - then go to wal mart and buy a 2gig player for 149$

3.""writing congress??"" half of congress doesnt know what email is the other half use it for emailing love letters to little boys,
they couldnt point to china on a map and certainly would give a blank stare if you mentioned the firmware on your mp4 player.
Ya lets have the feds control it like they controled military purchases. (flashback 10 years - army paying 500$ for toilet seats!!)
(flashback 2 years - 8 BILLION cash money misplaced!!)

come on people ! i mean .. come ..on !!
lets not get into the "there should be a law" thing.

You lost 20$ get over it!
the real fruad is apple selling ipods for 399$ which cost them 59$ to make.

6000 mp4 players sold everyday to Happy customers for less then half retail price.

I myself will continue buying mp4 players from various sellers.
if i lose a little money here or there i will deal with it cause overall i save ALOT.

I will also continue to wipe my own ass. hence if i get some on my finger....you will see no posts of me petitioning for a fedral mandate of stronger TP.
i will clean up my own mess, i advise you do the same.

those who give up privacy, freedom , choice, rights for the illusion of safety.. will end up having no freedom, no choice, no rights, no privacy. and NO safety.

aaabbb, follow this instructions
http://www.mympxplayer.org/how-to-re...ck-vt2400.html

if your player is good it will not be damage

One_Stop_Store has changed his name to themp4world
 

one_stop_store has changed his name to themp4world



Yes I got one of these player off E Bay 8GB pertaining to be, however when I reformatted the player, with the AMV convert tool 3.68. it showed it's true memory of 2GB Samsung 2GB chip had been hacked

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Thanks You Have Saved Me Precious Money And Time. I would have bought several items from these fraudulent people and been in the hole some major cash. As is I buy enough without being scammed. E Bay needs to do a better job and step up to take the outragous bastards to the cleaners. :shock:

xxxAxlRose, That is good news, normally we hear the opposite from people who have been scammed because they did not know about the problem.

Ebay does not care they get there fee if the buyer was scammed or not.

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Hi Guys,

Well just like you out there I have had the same promlems with this MP3 Player which I purchased on Ebay as an 8GB.
The chip number of mine is SAMSUNG K9LAG08110M which identifies the chip as 2GB.

I found this site to further our plight www.reportauctionfraud.com.

If you use this site be specific and to the point, don't lose your cool they might be able to help broaden awarenes. I have been on several other similar sites to help the cause.

has anyone got any more news.

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yeah I have been tricked into getting a 2gb player with no problem
what i really got was a 1gb player and it keeps corrupting files behind my back

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:shock:

What to do know? Paypal has got protection so what is that? Protect the liar???


"We have determined that you may be eligible for a refund on this PayPal
transaction. To qualify for a refund, please return the item received to
the seller in the same condition in which it was received. (You are
responsible for shipping and handling costs for the returned merchandise.)
The amount you will be eligible to receive is determined by the terms of
our buyer protection policies and we may be unable to make a full recovery
of your payment from the seller. Please review the buyer protection
policies in our User Agreement before shipping the item back to the seller.



Once you have returned the item, please log in to your PayPal account
within 10 calendar days of receipt of this email and provide tracking
information that can be verified online.
PayPal strongly recommends using a shipping service that provides online
tracking.


We must receive this information within 10 calendar days. Failure to
provide this information will result in automatic cancellation of your case.

Once we have been able to verify that the item was shipped to the seller,
the refund will be issued to you.
You may also choose to cancel this claim if you wish to work directly with
the seller to resolve this issue.

Thank you for your cooperation.


Sincerely,

Protection Services Department"


Seller jungle.bookstore estafador , be carefull! He is selling 8gb players but they have only 1GB memory!!!

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Hi all.

Great site!!!

I happened upon this site while reading someones feedback comments about red_vision so i thought I would wait around untill I found a bargain MP3 player so i could just experiment and de-hack it and all that.

I found one and bought it for $55AU, free postage, It's a 4GB nano clone. I thought if it only turns out to be 512mb it'll still be worth it..I could sell it to a friend or something.

It arrived promptly and turned out to be 2GB so i'm pretty much stoked about that.

I signed the petition, alerted ebay and are currently exchanging Emails with the seller.

It's good that people create sites such as this one...it's been an eye opener.

cheers.

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jungle.bookstore changed their name to jungle.foodstore and set their feedback status to 'private' when they left me negative feedback. They had the gall to call me a fraudster!
They now are no longer a registered eBay seller (yay for that, but beware of them re-incarnating...).
I guess me reporting 10 of their 8mb mp4 players each time I logged into eBay may have helped...
I have still not seen any money from them (but PayPal have re-opened my case...)

I am working on eBay retracting the negative feedback (it's my only negative!)

Hi.
Is nettradefair a fraudster?He's selling this item:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=017
and I found this on a website:
http://www.digitaldealsuk.com/product_details_117.htm

its probably a fake but I would like to know for sure

It states in the item description: *This is a compressed 8gb flash drive, the 8gb capacity is for storing data files only,1gb is for actual playable and recordable.

An easy out for scammers. They put that in there so they can claim that they stated it was a 1gb.

Yep... Add me to this list!

Bla...

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Someone suggested that we sign this petition and send it to all senators, congressmen etc, etc. I have purchased more than a few of these MP3 players on EBAY. I never have encountered a problem with them, (I know you wonder why I purchased many,,,,as GIFTS). So if you all sign up, and get a million signatures, and send this petition to all the government agencies, do you think they will blindly sit by and do nothing? Of course not, they will see how much money is really changing hands on EBAY and all of a sudden there will be added taxes for every transaction on EBAY. The government is looking for more money all the time, so go on and send it to them and admit that there is a lot of money being exchanges there, so you all can pay a lot more for your items.

You gotta use your head people, think! Take care of the problem (if you have a problem) with EBAY and Paypal. Why get the government involved? It will come back to bite you in the long run.

And besides, if you get a million signatures of disgruntled buyers, that means there were a million buyers who wanted to sidestep buying a true Apple MP3 for something cheaper. Currently we can all buy these cheapies and if they quit then we can buy another one. I can buy 5 for what I would pay for a true Apple. And I know Apple owners who had their players quit after a year or 2.
So, go on and sign up, tell the world that you were trying to buy something cheaper and got burned. Then you will all be here looking for a "Reputable" dealer to buy another fake from anyway. What did you gain,,,,, nothing but the "Glory " of signing up and letting everyone know about the mistakes you made. As for me, I won't sign it and will keep looking for a true "Deal" on EBAY. Always looking to pay less for everything.

stirator , i think it is pretty obvious that eBay IS earning alot of money, from the fact that eBay is in the list of Fortune 500 companies. Ranking 383 with an annual revenue of US$5,969.7million and profit of US$1,125.6million. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...t/301_400.html

i think it is pretty obvious to most people that ebay deals with online auctions.

And i also think that is is pretty obvious that MOST of eBay's annual profits come from auction sales insertion fees, final value fees, whatever auction fees there is.

If the government wanted to impose any taxes, i don't think they would wait until this petition is done up with a million signatures before they decide to start charging sale taxes. Come on, the governement could even see what you doing in your backyard with just a satellite from the comfort of their desk. For a minute you think that they don't know how much eBay is earning?

They would probably, in fact would have known that eBay is making tonnes of money just from hosting auctions. Do you think that any government, would be oblivious to this?

On another note, perhaps you are well-off and could afford 5 players in a go, and purchasing an apple ipod would be a piece of cake to you. But there are many others who could not easily afford an apple ipod, and these "cheapies" as i quote from you, are the best that they could afford. i am one of them in fact, i'm just a student and do not have any positive income. So saving up for just 1 player is not easy.

In case you don't know yet, those who signed the petition were "conned", "swindled", "cheated", into purchasing something that had been misrepresented. As far as i could see, and as far as those concerned, they did not make a "mistake" but rather was deceived by the seller themselves.

may as well add ebay user Jackysmallshop to your list of ebay scam artists. My 8GB mp4 player turned out to be a 1GB player

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HI!!!
More one in this community.
I've been fooled too and signed to the petition!!
I hope that shiters disappear from eBay.

Regards to all of you :lol:

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It seems more and more people get scammed, myself included. I am still negotiating with the seller, so I am not signing the petition yet.

However, could the petition page include another field where one would be able to put an ebay seller login name, and a corresponding CHECK button? Then, the effect of pressing CHECK might be:

YES, the given seller name has been reported x times, or
NO, the given seller name has not been reported.

That could save troubles with hacked players for careful buyers.

Cheers,
--
jac-ans

Pls don't call Apple a real mp3 player unless you planning to make an ass out of yerself.

Billion Johnston
98-1277 Kaahumanu St #260
Aiea, HI 96701
United States
This is the person who scammed me. I bought a 2gb and it was a 512

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I bought an mp-4 player from swedish auction-site Tradera. 4gb was promised but it is only 1gb. I want write on the list but there is only ebay? This is crap.

Sheesh! It's been a while since I looked at the petition. Hailitele seems to be making a fortune off of unsuspecting buyers. :x

power_player88 is another one selling hacked players (and other hacked-memory devices) and getting caught repeatedly -- 159 negatives, 287 withdrawn, a couple of hundred neutrals. I got caught with a 4GB nanoclone that turned out to be 2GB, but don't consider myself that badly burned due to price (US$39 shipped.) I opened a PayPal dispute and the seller immediately offered a small refund (AU$4), I've demanded more. We'll see how that goes.

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I signed

YES! That is exactly who I bought mine from! and thanks to all of you I found this out and found out that it is not the right GB. I wrote him a very direct message letting him know this player was hacked and I want a refund due to his error in not disclosing this player IS NOT A 4GB. I reported him, also, on ebay.

I hope he gets just deserved for scamming so many people.

Is there a list somewhere on here of all sellers on ebay doing this?

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Just because it may appear to be a "TRUE" deal does not mean it is. We believed we were getting a generic mp3/4 player and knew this, but was not aware the actual GB's were not of true capacity. So, you go ahead and find those "TRUE DEALS" good luck. ON Ebay anything is possible & we all take a risk of buying off there in hopes the seller is honest enough to do the same for their products. That is not always the case on Ebay, and it stands to reason people at some point and time no matter how careful or how much research they do on anything bought online or how great ones feedback is. Sometimes life hands you a sour grape and either you can walk off like many do or you can say I have had enough of these . I say I had enough of these.

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Still chasing down power_player88. They continue to attract negatives, and tried to get me to withdrawn the one I posted -- no chance. No revenge feedback yet. They seem to have abandoned that tactic.

I kept up the pressure, but they only offered AU$7 in the finish. Also wanted me to ship the unit back -- no way that's happening. I've now escalated to a claim, and we'll see what happens now.

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I get so irritated when people whine.
The problem with Humans is that No one wants to accept the Blame, thats why there are so many lawyers. We are all imperfect. Do you really think all the sellers of the mp3 players are guilty? Yes, I do have some of these players that do not have the right memory size for what they were sold as, but the packaging was labeled that way, so I would say the factory that made the players falsely labeled them and not the sellers.

You have to realize that the world is in a downward plunge. We are all selling out to cheap goods and in doing so, those goods come from countrys that do anything to make them cheap. Eventually, this is causing a downward plunge that is causing the Rich to get Richer and the Middle class to be pushed into poverty. It doesnt matter what country you live in, we are all guilty. :lol:

How do we fix it..
Accept your actions.. you purchased items that were cheap. If you bid them up too high on ebay, its not ebays fault. If you bought something you didn't get to hold in your hands and personally check it before shipping it, don't expect more than you paid for. Ive seen some of your rediculous bids on these on ebay. dont get so excited and bid these up so darn high. I picked some up the day after the USPS announced they would not arrive by christmas for $12 each including shipping, so I was not as dissapointed that the memory was small. I also didn't expect the high quality of the Name Brand Devices.

Ive owned Apple, Creative Labs, and other brands of MP3 players, and there is a reason for their high prices.. they stand behind their products and they also spend more money testing and improving their products. The Ebay knockoffs are only look-a-likes. some functions are ok and they sell you on extra features you really dont need.

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yeah, help stop the ebay fraud, we hate hacked version mp4 player, its just not fair.