mympxplayer.org certification

[ronnieray]

I sent this letter to Binh the other day and he liked it, but wanted to know what the group thought... so please read it and give your input.. thanks Ronnieray

Sitting in my car this morning waiting to go to work and I had a thought,
maybe a silly thought , but a thought just the same.
why dont we make some kind of certifacation for sellers? contact the
sellers and ask them to "donate" 1 player. Take it , give it a format,
make sure it meets the sellers claims, if all goes well, they get banner for
there auction page linking to mympx.org's report on their product. If it
fails to meet the sellers claims, then no certifacation is made and the
seller is notified that his product is not up to Mympxplayer.org standards.
mympx.org could became a not-for-profit entity and then sellers could deduct
the product from their taxes as a donation to charity. mympxplayer.org could
sell,raffle or whatever the player to cover operating expenses. if they are
selling 3 differant models, then they would need to send 1 of each for
cert's to run on each listing, not one covers all. If sellers wanted product
returned, this would be acceptable for a small handling fee. If seller is
using more than 1 name, then this could be used with his aliases i would
make a letter to send sellers telling them about how these people selling
hacked players are hurting there business by taking customers that might
otherwise be buying from them, and maybe something like, " once a person
buys a hacked player, they will say they got screwed using ebay for mp4
player and be a lot less likely to want to take a chance doing it again for
there next one. carrying the "MyMpxplayer.org it's legit" certification
banner on their products webpage insures that their customers are getting
what they're paying for, and as more and more legit sellers sign on , the
harder it will be for scammers to unfairly compete. I would also say
something like "sellers not wishing to particapte will be listed as such and
at some point mympxplayer will be purchasing mp4 players, testing them and
filing complaints as warrented. i think if we can represent the bulk of
legit sellers as one voice, then ebay/paypal will be more likely to have to
listen when we report fraudulant sellers. and any complaints we file outside
of ebay will definatly carry more weight if we represent the masses as 1
voice.
anyways its still a rough idea but i think you can see where i am going with
it.

[admin]

I think you are onto a really good idea ronnieray.

This hopefully will help fight against all the bad traders out there on eBay.

There are already certifications out there on eBay sellers. One example is SquareTrade "Bid with Confidence" certification. You can see an example of this on this page here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=290069885460.

Have a look at a screenshot with the SquareTrade's certification within an eBay auction here:




I think this can be accomplished with abit of help and hard work.

The end result is that we want to PROTECT everyone from bad sellers of hacked players. No one wants to be ripped off, so if we can warn people before hand and certify the good sellers, eveyone benefits and the bad sellers loose out.

[lattesurf]

Great idea!

However, there might be some potential problems, as some sellers might "misuse" the certification.

1. Some non-certified sellers could just use the certification logo (eg having the logo on the ad but not linking to anything). Just like how some ads have the Apple Ipod logo, but clearly it is a nano-clone.

2. Some sellers could send a non-hacked player and get certified, then sell hacked players subsequently and make a quick buck. De-register their account, and re-register a new account and repeat the same thing.

Well just some thoughts, but hopefully these problems do not surface if this proposal was executed.

[impeeza]

i think that coul be a great idea, and help so many people.

[Que]

Great idea, a lot of chances to be misused though. As said before, easy to get the certification, steal or misuse it. Scammers brutaly put links to this site in their ads before, but still sold hacked players. But still a great idea, but takes a lot of work to sustain, and gives the risk that the site devaluates in value if the certification is misused, and it will be. The site could start it's own (ebay) shop, if the prices are competitive with ebay, uxcell, I would buy there.

[avionik99]

I agree with lattesurf ......too much room for abuse.

Uxcell is a great example. They support this site yet if you do a search on this site you will find that they have mostly very negative responses from customers.
We now have them selling amv players advertised, promoted and priced as avi players. Just another scam. Perhaps its by their supplier but its still their responsibility to know their product!!

Dave

[ronnieray]

I thought about this also, if someone can get 4GB or higher player, do you really think there gonna bother only buying 1 and then ordering a box of 2GB's , besides there are ways that you keep things legit, If you are familar with ISO standards, there are audit processes that make sure companies are conforming to the set standards, you make the seller go through audit process to insure conformity,you also spell out in the agreement what happens when they fail to conform.
If someone representing a good portion of legit sellers tells ebay that their sellers are unhappy because " person" is scamming and hurting their sales. There gonna listen a lot closer than just to "john smith" has a problem. This gives sellers a reason to police each other, I have other ways but i dont really want to make them public , but it wouldn't take long for someone falsely using a banner to tell on himself. old saying " Give a "scammer" a rope and he will hang himself. Any ideas or concerns you might have, feel free to contact me. any input i can get will help with tying up loose ends
until next time
download songs, convert movies, play games , do it while you can..but dont get caught

[admin]

Originally Posted by avionik99";p=&quot

I agree with lattesurf ......too much room for abuse.

Uxcell is a great example. They support this site yet if you do a search on this site you will find that they have mostly very negative responses from customers.
We now have them selling amv players advertised, promoted and priced as avi players. Just another scam. Perhaps its by their supplier but its still their responsibility to know their product!!

Dave

Dave,

I believe that's human nature though.

I'm sure UXcell has a lot of happy customers and lots from their eBay store too (just check their feedback). The problem is, if you're happy with something, you don't tend to talk much about. However, human nature within us acts different if we have a problem with a product or not happy with a product.

We tend to 'yell' out more if we are not happy with a product than if we are happy. I know for me, if I'm not happy with a product or service, I tell my friends "don't go there, they're terrible", but often do you say "oh, that's a great place" in general speak?

I'm sure we all have brought lots of things we are happy with, but do we tell all our friends about every product we are happy with? Not really, it's generally the ones that we are unhappy with that we tell other people about.

[arviverona]

and sellers might make this cert for their own profit for themselves disregarding the help of this site to them..

[lddrizzt1]

Ok I'm gonna toss in my 2 cents worth.

This is a good idea, but like it was posted, It is going to be abused. If a seller is dishonest enough to sell a hacked player, then they are dishonest enough to steal a certification. What is to stop them from going to a good cert. and just copying it and changing the name to theirs and posting it someplace for buyers to see it when clicked on.

I am an admin on a board (www.pachitalk.com) not altogether different than here, but we are dedicated to Japanese pachinko and pachislo (slot) machines. Luckily our market is much smaller than the mp3/4 market.
We have sections for comments on vendors, both good and bad. If you want to say something about a vendor then you do it in there. Some of our users have taken it upon themselves to send links once in awhile to potential Ebay buyers that link to our forums. Our board is free and if the buyer is interested in these machines they usually sign up.

Yes here there is a blacklist, and a couple of your sponsors have their own sections. What is needed on here is a section for the white list. If you have had a good experience we need a place to put these so they are together, so the newbies know where to find someone they can trust.

On PachiTalk we don't allow vendors to advertise, this way it keeps us kind of pure in a way. We have a small self contained auction area that anyone, including any vendors can sell their products. We found that this will keep us from being labeled "so and so vendor's board".

If you're curious about pachinko or pachislo come check us out.