Charge back via credit card

[RussWWFC]

Like I said I'd much rather try and sort things out with the seller and only do a chargeback at the last resort if Paypal then are no help.

My seller also claimed he was based in England "Leighton Buzzard" how random is that! I've been there and it's a tiny little sleepy town. The seller has probably never been to the UK before so how they came up with Leighton Buzzard as a location I'll never know!

I certainly wont be sending the player back, postage costs would just make the potential loss even more

[mekako]

Lite

What a cheek you have to accuse of what you state in your last post

I would presume that you are a seller by your comments and you are biased in your opinions, however put your E Bay ID here and lets look at you selling activity and feedback.

I have managed to get my money back and you don't like it beause of your bad experiance re-the £250 you state

Well as far as I'm concerned this is a Victory for the common man, and if my seller had been located in the UK I would have taken my case to a small claims court, who would have found in my favor.

And if he did not pay up then I would send the baliff in.

Why on earth should these sellers get off so lightly, with just a slap on the hand with Pay Pal. My seller was commiting mass fraud and deception on a grand scale, to the point he cut and run in the end.

These sellers open accounts all over the place, list item in another, and ship from another. check some of these sellers details, and in many case you will see are fake details.

Dont give me a moral lecture? I know what is right and wrong.

[lite]

Look , I understand your "POINT OF VIEW" , But you obviously dont know "what is right and wrong." , If you did then you would understand how a chargeback is fraud itself and would make you as bad as the sellers themselves, Im not a seller , I live in london and am 14 , I sell my products locally to make a decent profit and I do online webdesign for web based companys- The £250 in one payment, Chargebacks being misused are wrong , Can someone please but in and agree with me in this discussion because I know im right, Read admin's Opinion

"Personally from my perspective, I think you should return the player - but provided the seller pays for shipping. I don't think you should have to pay for shipping but as you didn't actually pay for the player, I personally think you should send it back as you got your money back already as well."

Youve been registerd on this site For what , a month with 20 posts , Your obviosuly misunderstand the consept of professional business invloving the selling of these portable players.

[mekako]

LITE IS THIS BEING HONEST?
I REST MY CASE

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Posted: 15 May 2007 02:08 pm* *Post subject: *
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yeh , the one inside the box is easily tellable from a real one , anyway you gave me a good idea

You know those FMP 1.5" screens that look much better towards a real ipod nano than a fake one , Someone should send one off to apple for a battery re;lacement and when they sort them all out they will just toss it in with the rest of the ipods , you dont get back your actual ipod when you send it off , so they will send you back a real ipod , Eh give it a try , the chipods only cost £10 and apple will charge you the price if a battery replacement if anything.


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Posted: 13 Feb 2007 11:56 am Post subject: 70% partial refund!!
Recently I bought a supposedly '4GB'?? mp4 player from ebay ,
I knew it wasnt going to be 4gb but even stil i went for it at £20, they are neat and cool.
I recieved the player and complained , like i knew i would , but instead of shouting ect i was quit nice , I threw in a few comments/compliments about there great feedback, superb shipping times ect , And initally they offerd me a $5 partial refund , yes $5 not £5
of course thats hardly worth it , so i asked again , gave a few math stastics ect about how much i would of saved if i bought a 1 gb one instead , i would of only saved about £5 rearly , £20 for a fake 4gb is hard to beat, Straight back i recieved an e-mail 4 mins later saying:
' how much you want i refund to you?gbp13, ok? '
lol , they spoke rearly bad english but hey , i was so suprised , ive recieved my refund and evded up paying £7 for a 1gb mp4 player (thats including postage),
just goes to show that this guy was 1 in a million or kindness went a long way

oh if i didnt make it clear , that was a partial refund , so ive still got the player.

still its a v 9.0.50 so i cant change my theme yet
anyone know the release date for the new tool?

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As I said before don't lecture me on morals, your posts would suggest how you calculate things to work to your advantage without considering the other parties involved

Regardless how long it is since I joined this site makes no difference at all how many posts I have made.

You should try and remember the content of some of your post, and it would seem you forget what you have written prior, as you have contradicted yourself.

You are the one teaching people to commit fraud, by your past postings which are shown above, and it just goes to show how your evil little mind works.

[tadad1]

Although the Charge Back system on credit cards is oftern used fraudulently I personally do not think mekako is guilty of this.

He clearly bought a product which was not as discribed from a seller who is committing fraud and knows his players have been purposefully altered to deceive his customers.

The PayPal\Ebay system is a joke. Why should mekako return the player to Canada when it came from Hong Kong and was listed as located in the UK. Once again misleading in order to gain the confidence of UK buyers. To the best of my knowledge this misrepresentation alone contradicts eBay conditions of use.

Under the so called PayPal customer protection system mekako would be expected to pay premium shipping costs with tracking to return the product, the possible cost of getting a third party written statement from a qualified technician as proof that the player does not in fact meet the advertised specifications plus a $25.00 fee to PayPal for acting on his behalf. In some cases these costs are greater than the original amount paid.

In most cases PayPal will also only process a refund if funds are in the sellers account to cover the cost which was highly unlikely considering the seller had done a bunk.

mekako was unable to come to a satisfactory agreement with the seller or PayPal and in my opinion was quite within his rights to use the chargeback system on his credit card and so did his bank otherwise they would not have reversed the payment. Should the seller front with the money to return the player then yes it should be returned but that has not and is unlikely to happen either.

If eBay\PayPal are out of pocket as a result of this tough titty as far as I am concerned they should be doing more to police and prevent this problem because lets face it, it is not as if they do not know that everyday people are being ripped off through their system. Perhaps if enough people stand up and refuse to accept the pissy peace offering of crooked sellers and PayPal we may see some reform.

[lite]

I dont quite understand your examples????

You use me telling people how I got a £13 partial refund as me comitting fraud,

I accsept that you got a hacked player and you are angry at the seller for frauding you , But that does not approve for you to do the same back.

If your brother was killed , Should you kill the guy back??? Id think not seeing as its the wrong thing to do and "Normally" the justice system will come into place , IE paypal protection , In the right conditions that level up. If your brother has had a bad life and done alot to annoy people , Then there is justification for his death but not enough to not accuse and commit someone.

The situations are very similar , You misunderstand my point ,

Tadad1 , Nothing agaisnt you , im just cotridinting you here ,

"In most cases PayPal will also only process a refund if funds are in the sellers account to cover the cost which was highly unlikely considering the seller had done a bunk. "

Not true , PayPal has to attention to the sellers balance , They use debt collecters known as NCO , working on a comission basis , Although they are only allowed to pursuade you they do often threatan people about there debt.