Did anyboby buy this PMP from Tinydeal?
 

Did anybody buy the ''Covnersion Free 3" 16:9 QVGA 2GB MP4 MP3 MP5 Player LA1-2R'' from Tinydeal :?:
It looks great :)

P.S. Sorry, I don't know how to insert an image or a hyperling

Do you mean this one?

http://img.tinydeal.com/mp3/la1.jpg

I have ordered one of these myself, I hope to get it in about a week, should be ok it's one of the new 27xx series Rockchip players.

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Yes, this is the player.
I am planning to order one soon.
Please tell us your opinion when you have it in your hands.

ahh Knob welcome to the next generation rockchip club, but is it actually 3" as the generic ones i have seen have all quoted 2.6" or 2.8", the KNC one is 3" though, anyway thats just nit-picking

i have my vx747 rockchip from them on the way, got tracing number and all on the way#

must say this, though i do ot like most of the stuff they sell, they are very quick to send and answer emails, just wish they would sell some branded player, as well as these and get rid of all the older shite

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I found a chinese manufacturer called BALLET that advertase this player on his website http://www.qs-ballet.com/product.asp?id=625
The site is written in chinese so I can't read the specs. :)

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Here's the KNC 700

http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://image.thethirdmedia.com/artic...0510191714.jpg

and here:-
http://player.it168.com/viewthread.p...extra=page%3D1

http://img2.zol.com.cn/product/21/46/ceUVGZ7DyVrGQ.jpg

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I have seen a number of Chinese and Honk Kong vendors selling media players that look like this. This seems to be amongst the latest "public brand" models. "Public Brand" is a phrase that basically means lots of companies are manufacturing what is basically the same product. They use the reference design from the chipset solution company for both hardware and software (like Rockchip for example) and then use the same industrial design on the outside. Since this is in the China "Public Brand" there are no patents or copywrights associated with it in China (well, there may be one or more USA, EU, or Japan patents or copywrights violated but that is beyond the scope of this posting). IMHO, I would recommend staying away from these public brand products as you never know what you are going to get.

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Sony? :roll:

http://detail.china.alibaba.com/buye...celog=rss_list

:wink:

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There is also available from epathchina http://www.epathchina.com/8gb-30-inc...ack-p-922.html but is priced higher than this one from Tinydeal

LOL now that is just cheeky

Yep, just look at the trouble the the ONDA vx858 clones caused, now they are public they are an absolute pile of TAT, and that is being generous

IMHO opinion we should really stay away from all unbranded cheap players and if you can afford it at least get something branded from one of chinas bigger names

but we all love a bargin and do harbor the hope that we may actually get a stonking player with all the bells and whistles for less than £30($60) :)

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Yes, all of those VX858 clones were rediculous. I saw five different Chinese vendors at CES Las Vegas this past January with different VX858 clones or variations on that.

I don't see any problem buying an unbranded player provided it really is the the unbranded version of the name brand manufacturered by the same OEM that manufacturers for the name brand. Both Onda and Teclast, for example, are only sales, marketing, and distribution entities. They outsouce their engineering and manufacturing. These OEMs will sell unbranded versions outside of China.

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Yes I think this is going to be the new Chinese "Peoples Player".
http://www.dealextreme.com/productim...44_1_small.jpg
can't wait to see what it's like when I get it.

I love messing with these unbranded players just to see what I can get out of them. (I must be completely out of my mind!)

I had it's predecessor, this player:-
http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa99/astola/bat7.jpg

I've had it for over 14 months now, opened it up countless times and flashed and reflashed it over and over again and I still can't kill it, I guess I must have been lucky and got a good un.

I just hope this new "public brand" is as durable :wink:

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Yes, you can get lucky with an unbranded public brand player. You might even get one that was made in the same factory as Onda's or Teclast's if you are lucky (they have fantastic quality). I would personally stay away from those iPOD nano clones.

Keep us posted when you get this player, I'd love to read your review of it.

- Dave

got my 747 rockchip player this morning will report later on it

but first impressions are ...... well for £30 it aint half bad.... but few niggles and stuff

cheers

Still waiting for mine, how long does the delivery take from Tiny Deal?, do you get the PlayFX firmware? is there a CD with it?

Hell it's like waiting for Christmas.

very quick indeed, about a week for delivery, as soon as i could see it in the hong kong post tracing site it was here within 4 days

Play FX is in this firmware yes, not sure about your though

Got 8 different desktops (back mages0
Player accepts the rkusb tag so can see partition and firmware
Can mod the player images

BUT

bad things also - will report with pics n stuff also

totally wrong manual - for old rockchips!!!

CD yes but best used as a coaster

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Arrived today, exactly 7days after I ordered it.
Heres what you get:-
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...tola/MP5_1.jpg

Instructions were for the old Rockchip :wink: (I'm male I never read instructions anyway!).

The Cd is the same as you get on all these players -various video converters for avi and amv, so ok I guess if you haven't got aviconverter.
You get a charger to suit the country you're in (nice touch).
If you plug the charger in you can still navigate the menu, but you cant play music at the same time the player will either crash or reboot, not a problem for me, heres the interface:-
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...tola/MP5_2.jpg

I would advise anyone buying any type of mp4 to copy the entire contents of the player (videos, music etc ) to keep for reference.

Rkusb.tag works on it so you can back up the firmware straight away.

But.. this is what you get when the hidden firmware partition opens, there is a VIRUS in the root of firmware partition of all places. :shock: Its called "fldriver.exe" so watch out for it (AVG dealt with it for me) it's started by autorun.inf, don't panic and DO NOT delete your firmware folders by mistake or format the hidden partition, just let your antivirus software fix it. (All you should have here are 4 folders.)

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...a/mp5Virus.jpg

These players do seem like a big improvement on the old rockchip players and this one does have PlayFX.

This does however, seem to crash more than the old Rockchip, maybe because of the more complicated firmware i.e. more bugs.

I'm not recommending it yet because it has just shutdown whilst playing about with the music options and I can't get it to come back on. I'll post more info if/when I can get it to reboot.

Update, got it back again, I had to format the hidden firmware partition, I had just backed it up 5 minutes before and recopied it again. The problem seemed to occur after I went the display brightness option and tried to alter it.

It just shows it is very important to backup the firmware on these new Rockchip players as soon as you can, before the settings get screwed up.
I will now upload my firmware folders in case anyone else goes into the display settings option and the same thing happens.
Don't be put off buying this player it is very good value for money, just backup the firmware before messing and watch out for the VIRUS!
btw my player was the 8Gb one....


Firmware uploaded here:-
http://www.mympxplayer.org/rk27xx-fi...-8r-df890.html

Seems to be an issue with the 3.5mm audio jack on these players.
By and large the cheap chinese earplugs seem to work ok.
I tried plugging in some better quality Philips and Seinheiser and sometimes you would only get sound out of the right hand and sometimes vice versa. to get sound from both sides I often had to pull the jack plug out a little way. This can be quite annoying

I think I'm going to end up chopping a plug off a pair of cheap chinese earphones (god knows I've got enough of them laying around) to solder on to my better earplugs, I think there is a size/spacing difference in some of the 3.5mm jack sockets.

So to summarise:-
Good:
PlayFX very good sound quality.
Plays unconverted video(very good)
Handles id3 tags much better now (I only use mp3)
Even scrolls the track name now instead of chopping it off!
Can easily backup firmware (you're gonna need it!)
sort by artist, track, album etc
can do playlist (I never use them).
Modding the UI is a doddle.


Bad:
Crashes sometimes(Rockchip has had some "help" from Microsoft, my old Rockchips never crashed!)
There is a virus in the firmware partition (easily fixed)
FM radio reception is rubbish compared to old Rockchips
Audio never resumes from the track where you left off of (both my old Rockchips managed this if I did a "soft" shutdown)
No video resume
Mine had a problem with the 3.5 jack socket, (could have been a one off) probably due to lack of precision in manufacture rather than a faulty socket.(edit seems to have fixed itself now)

Build quality seems ok, not too light, not sure about battery life yet, but seems ok.

If stuff like this bothers you then it might pay to steer clear of these players and pay the 20 or so dollars extra for a better player, say Teclast, S-Flo or Onda

your headphone problem is the same as mine.

Virus, not on mine, but that is worrying and tinydeal need o be informed

Well, personally i think Tinydeal win out on delivery and sales but not good on quality of product as remember many users that buy these players are not like us enthusiasts.

im glad you like it and i will say that crashing has something to do with your player knob as i have 2 other rockchip players and do not have any crashes. I did suffer reboots on the ramos at the beginning with some video files but this was remedied in an update, so there is something wrong somewhere with yours in either hardware or software

hadphones jack size and precision is an odd one, if these came from the same factory then i could understand but i tried several cheap generic phones as well as my others and none work, i have audio from one side only

Personally i think and extra $20 dollars for a branded chinese player is money well spent

knob, in your player can you

1. set the date
2, set the time
3. do you have video resume
4. can you resize movies to fit screen, or is it automatic with no option
5. did your screen have a protective plastic sticker on it, mone did, but they actually overlaid the player body over it sa most of the edges were under the trim, really awkward to get it off, you can tell if the screen looks a little misty or the feels slightly rubbery

Been playing around with the backlight setting again. It's seems it didn't crash after all, it's a firmware bug, if you the adjust the backlight level any lower than 3 the screen goes completely black!

I must have shut it down and it saved the settings at that so I couldn't navigate anymore! and ended up with a permanent black screen.

It doesn't appear to have a calender or clock, just a stopwatch, thats ok for me I didn't want to have to keep re-setting the time anyway..

The protective screen came off clean and fine.

The player seems to resize automatically with the few video clips I've tried, but no video resume that I am aware of, makd511, do you know how the video resume works if it did have it?

The only issue I have now is the jack plug, the only way round it seems to be to try different shaped ones to see which fits the best, the video resume would be handy though and I'm gonna have to do something about that tiny font.

cheers knob

video resume is automatic if it exists

on the new rockchips whenever you stop a video a small file is written to the player, upon starting the movie again it will start from the beginning, pressing the "M" button pops up a small sub menu in which you cane elect to start form last saved point

this actions is carried out for every type of movie file and each one gets its own save point made and can resume from that point, its definately worth having

now with your player being a popular design in china as well as KNC there is also a company called deluxe who brand it up, so you may have options here for a firmware update of some sort

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To Knob:

Is it a KNC player or an OEM or whatever I can call it?

I found on allPMP the 4GB version for $88.90 + shipping..
too much if it's the same player

It's not the KNC player, the TinyDeal one is an OEM player.
It's the same spec with PlayFX, I got the 8Gb version.

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There is no excuse for a dealer selling a unit with a virus on it. Period.

Ahh, the old 3.5mm headphone jack/plug problem.

I ran into this with a VX767 of all players, a few months ago. The cheap earphones that come with it work fine but my more expensive didn't. I tried 3 other VX767s and the same thing happened. It took me a while but I finally figured out that the actual plastic bushing of the earphone jack for the VX767 sits slightly behind the rest of the outer chassis. The opening in the chassis is large enough to accommodate the small size barrel of the cheaper earphones but my expensive earphones have a rather large barrel (and metal base at the rear of the plug). This large metal base caused the earphone plug to not plug in all the way (and here all the way is not that much distance but enough to not make good contact). I wrote the Onda's OEM about this and they said that they would forward it to their engineers and look into it. Does this make sense? I'll post some photos if it doesn't.

Knob or mackd511 - Can either of you take a closeup picture of the player's earphone jack?

my jack i definitely no good, i took the player back off and lifted the board out so i could make good fitting with the headphones and i still had the problem, still sound breaking up, but mainly only sound from one channel

i emailed tinydeal on these matters, especially the virus, they fobbed me of at the beginning saying they would look into the problems, but i have kept hassling them and will continue to do so, and we will see if they actually do make any effort

i also asked them if the would explicitly state on their web site and ebay pages that the vx747 rockchip player was not an ONDA clone and would not use the onda firmware etc, their response to this was that they "would think about this" - says it all to me!!,

The jack connection is ok now, at first the connection was very tight, it was difficult to push fully home, thats when I had problems, now it's loosened up a bit both sides play fine.

It tend to leave the earplugs in my player all the time anyway so as not to wear out the socket, so it's ok now.

There are 2 firmware bugs on the player.

1) If you set the backlight lower than 3 the screen goes black completely.

2) I get a short buzz sound when the player starts up and when the player shuts down, a bit like the sound you get on FM radio intereference.

Regarding the virus, It was "Trojan horse generic9.BH00" you would need to open up the hidden partition for it to become active, would TinyDeal have the know-how, I doubt it.

they do now!!
i have explained the routine to them, but to be honest they are fobbing me off and do not seem interested at all in the quality of their player, but this is to be expected, i am gonna keep on hassling them though and see what reastion i can get out from them, i hope they do take some form of action as the shop is extremely fast and seems genuine on many levels

it is odd that the virus existed on the hidden partition and as you said, surely this would only be activated if the partition was opened up, as we do with the tag method
Now they have either sussed out that this is what we are up to and hope that we will do this, or they are stupid and just put it in the partition end of.

in fact its a nice little hiding place is it not, kinda a dormant virus ready to burst

BTW, how is your battery??

i looked at KNC site and Delux (same people) and could see now downloads for you to try, oh well.

Battery seems ok, I don't expect to get more than 4 hours audio and 2 hours video, the batteries are usually pretty poor on these unbranded players.

I might swap the ipod mini battery from my old Rockchip if it fits.

Really? I looked and couldn't find any downloads on these sites at all, can you post a link please?

btw, I borrowed a set of fonts from the Teclast T-50 and the text looks much better now :wink:

cheers

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Knob...

Can you please tell me the resolution of the screen of your new player?

Here in this Chilean site Gabstore of a friend of mine he is talking of 320x240 which I think it's wrong.
There is a lot of pics to see of the player, can you take a look please?

So this is the a new Rockchip player... no Wolfson really?

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It's 400x240 with a full 3" actual screen area, I had already swapped out one of the backgrounds, yes it's the new Rockchip, not sure if it's got the wolfson, I need to open it up and look, it's got Playfx and it sounds very good on the Bass side.

The player looks identical to the photos on the site:-
http://www.gabstore.cl/wp-content/up.../07/mp5_07.jpg

it's even got the screws on the bottom edge.

daremoS
To check the board layout if it has the wolfson chip, tried to open the player, removed the two screws on the front but it wouldn't lift over the earphone socket, oh well might try another time, I don't want to risk breaking it too soon, it sounds so good!

i doubt very much there is a wolfson in these players, not foe this price, for this price were lucky to have a rockchip let alone a wolfson :)

That would be great... this friend of mine is an importer and will bring me a player just for try it :D :D :D :D :D ... it would be nice to broke it.

We've discovered that this new RK2706 aren't using Wolfson decoders when the machine has a SD slot (!!!???)... for instance Teclast T50 does have Wolfson but no SD slot.The other case I know is Ramos RM965... which is in the inverse.

If I'm not wrong makd511 discovered this

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The fact that some players don't have the nice added Wolfson CODEC is probably either a case of cost or space. The Micro SD card slot does take up physical space and does add some cost to the players Bill Of Materials. I don't think that this is a limitation of the Rockchip 2706.

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probably you're right!!!

Actually that was the explanation given by makd511 here

There is not a limitation of RK2706 as it can work with both... the thing is that we haven't been able to find a device with such configuration.

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Now here is an interesting twist to this story.

I have installed this firmware which is from a identical player:-
http://www.mympxplayer.org/rockchip-...-pm-df895.html

And it booted up ok with a completely different version! :shock:

One snag though is that the menu button and the backwards and forwards buttons are not recognised, the play/pause, startup/shutdown button does work however and this firmware fixed one of the bugs, the annoying buzz.

The upshot of this is the screen display is perfect and I can play music fine and there is some improvement to the firmware, but I can't navigate to change any settings. :oops:

well thats a pain in the but

just goes to show again, they may look the same but we are still in the same boat as before .. many different factories building the same player with different configs

big pain in the butsky, even when i asked tinydeal if they got all their players from the same factory they replied no, several factories for player that even look the same, so even if you bought it from tinydeal there is no garantee they will be the same

BTW - got some new tools for modding, a tool for changing all the text on the player - am uploading it for all to use - kind of experimental, but can select a language and edit it to bigger or smaller strings

also found out with enhanced image tool that you can replace an image with a smaller or bigger one, even get rid of an image by replacing it with a 1x1px image in the transparent color - gone - will upload also

cheers

It's not too bad this time round, we can at least back up the firmware, that's a major step forward.
I just went back to the original firmware.

thanks for sharing the tools.
I uploaded a font tool, that's kinda experimental too, the fonts do get a bit out of line with fonts from some players, but it is still usable.

another thing i forgot to mention

the s:flo has just got an new firmware with several new video formats (asf, 3gp etc) and this is also being aplied to other new rockchip players and also it has NES, GBC/GB sms game emulation also that i think alos will be applied to other rockchip player firmware

thing is, will the newer batches of players coming out from the likes of tinydeal always get a later version of the firmware, or similar players etc

we will have to wait and see, but this chip is still fluxuating so much in terms of what it can and cant do

so the more firmwares we get from these players and similar ones to the ones we have then we can start to see how much we can chop and change about

I'd like to edit the menu text of these new RockChip players, but I can't find a tool for this. Can anybody help me?